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#65176 - 08/22/09 02:46 AM Re: Selectif Pro - Applisonix [Re: exhausted]
hate2bhairy Offline
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Registered: 03/15/09
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Loc: Calgary, Canada
Hmmm - sounds strangely like something I used when I was about 16 (that would be 26 years ago!). It was called "Finally Free" - hahahaha... yea.. finally free of that money that was burning a hole in my pocket, but certainly not the hair I was trying to permanently remove!

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#65180 - 08/22/09 12:01 PM Re: Selectif Pro - Applisonix [Re: hate2bhairy]
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I guess if it is just as effective as tweezer, it would not receive The Frost and Sullivan Award. They claim efficacy to be "similar to top light-based systems"

Some people (like me) cannot use laser, because of skin and hair type and waxing because of side effects. If they will come with possibility treat larger areas, I will be happy, even if the regular treatment is required, as I like the result of the treatment done on my skin.

The price is very high now. You need to change tips every 3500 treated hair, and for set of 5 tips you pay around 150$, but take this numbers just for guidance. Anyway it is probably market skimming and after affecting less price sensitive people, they will discount the price. Of course, under condition it is not a scam, in that way, they will better disappear:)

"Veil"?:))) Funny, I will think about changing my nick:)

To Choice: Nobody is disputing your education and knowledge. I respect your opinion and I am thankful for that, but not in the way, you are giving it.

Thanks for everybody opinions, time will show what they are capable to bring into the hair removal industry...


Edited by vell (08/22/09 12:03 PM)

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#65191 - 08/22/09 11:00 PM Re: Selectif Pro - Applisonix [Re: vell]
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Registered: 11/26/08
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Vell --

Did they treat each hair individually and pluck it out when you had your treatment?

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#65214 - 08/23/09 06:06 PM Re: Selectif Pro - Applisonix [Re: S-Wave]
vell Offline
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S-Wave,

They treat each hair individually. I had a mixed sentiment of plucking, some hair went very easily, some not so easily, but it was different then with tweezer. Look at the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_52yyKkB6Y

They say that:

"Ultrasound travels faster in dense materials and slower in compressible materials:

The speed in bone- 3400 m/s
The speed in hair - 1800 m/s
The speed in soft tissue - 1500 m/s
The speed in air - 330 m/s.

The most of the energy stays in the hair shaft and does not travel to the surrounding skin. The transducer's applicator condenses the US wave into the hair shaft , which propagate along the hair to its root -> The Ultrasound waves absorbed by the hair, causes heating of the hair shaft and bulb to >65ºC -> The heat damages the hair follicle and it´s bulb.
The dead hair falls off. The bulb shrinks down 8-24 hours after the treatment, not immediately, making the plucking phase difficult."

I do not know if this can work. I did not study hair biology or ultrasound technology. And I am wondering; How they want to use it on larger areas??? Probably it is not effective if the transducer does not touch solely hair... Maybe they have no idea too, and just claim it to make selectif more interesting and to gain investment.

Anyway, people can be very innovative, if they can make money on that...

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#66209 - 09/24/09 11:27 AM Re: Selectif Pro - Applisonix [Re: vell]
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I don't beleive that they are making any strong claims of permanent removal. They may have to get FDA approval to be sold in the US, so that may be why there are no current plans to market there. Who would not want to market in the US.? I also think that for a proffessional device, it is way too cheap. The original lasers sold here for $250000 and they were pretty ineffective. I truly beleive that when a painfree and troublefree solution to superfluous hair is found, that it will be franchised, and not even available to individuals, even in a commercial capacity. What do other electrologists / laser operaters think ?
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#66489 - 10/07/09 02:37 PM Re: Selectif Pro - Applisonix [Re: C O'Connell]
IsabelCruz Offline
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Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 1
Hi I was looking for other’s experience about the system but I see I will probably be the first.
I have had the Selectif Pro system used in my clinic for about 4 months and am very happy with it.
I saw your comments sayng it is like electric tweezers, and Im really do not agree with that. I am not sure how the physics works, but I tried the electric tweezers in the past, and there is not comparison. The electric tweezers do not work and the Selectif does. I have been using the system on clients in different areas with great results. The biggest advantage for me is the option to use on white/grey blond hair and on the face with no pain from my clients, and that is worth a lot :-)
As I wrote I do not understand the technical effect except for the hair being used as a wave guide for ultrasound as explained on the companies movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_52yyKkB6Y .
I had a few clients that this system really helped and could not stand the pain of electrolysis, so I personaly like it.
Is there anyone else that has the same experience ?

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#66737 - 10/18/09 12:09 PM Re: Selectif Pro - Applisonix [Re: IsabelCruz]
vell Offline
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It has been around 3 months since I had my treatment done and I want to point out, it is really not a pernament solution... It is an interesting technology though, and could be really usefull, if it became capable to quickly treat large areas.


Edited by vell (10/18/09 12:11 PM)

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#66738 - 10/18/09 01:12 PM Re: Selectif Pro - Applisonix [Re: vell]
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Registered: 10/27/03
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Can someone lend me their eyebrow? Allow me to perform electrolysis on the right eyebrow for one year or 12-20 treatments, or for at least as many times that IsabelCruz would be using this scam product (if it is intended to be permanent hair removal) and then we will prove something very important. Next, don't do anything for at least three months. The Applisonix side will be hairy and the electrolysis side will be considerably hair-free, permanently of all properly treated hairs.

It is cheaper and more private to tweeze. This is a scam tweezing product with a professional looking video on youtube that makes one think they are going to be hair free with little effort, pain or skin reaction.



Hair cannot conduct anything.
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#70111 - 02/19/10 04:21 AM Re: Selectif Pro - Applisonix [Re: dfahey]
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I believe this is supposed to be an objective forum. I have been reading through the comments and there seems to be 2 people on here i.e. Choice and dfahey that are too sure of their own selves to be anything but objective.
I have been in the hair removal, laser industry since the 90's I attend the ASLMS not local laser events and listen to what all the doctors have to say and have personally spoken with Rox Anderson regarding technologies that you probably haven't even heard of. But despite that I would never be as presumptuous as you two, to so comprehensively write off a technology that you have not seen, used or understand.
It would seem that the one person on here using it actually likes her machine and one the person who has tried it actually had a decent result, because if you do ONE treatment with any other technology and wait 3 months 9 times out of 10 it will grow back again.
Now we come to the technology, you may have done biology, and studied electrolysis and then even lasers Choice, and I am sure you are quite a good practitioner. But have you ever studied Ultrasound and how it works????
dfahey you are right, hairs do not conduct electricity hence electronic tweezers do not work. Ultrasound on the other hand is not using current or ions or any other form of conductivity. Ultrasound in simple terms vibrate the hair follicles at certain frequencies that will create heat down the shaft. Hopefully that will be enough heat to kill the follicle, but again if you know anything about ultrasound this is highly possible.
Now I am simply talking about what is theoretically possible, I am not saying that this machine particularly works as I would have to try it for that. I just don't like it when people loose sight of the value of a forum like this and no longer make objective comments. particularly in the face of users who seem to like it.
I for one think the technology is quite promising and look forward to giving it a go.

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#70117 - 02/19/10 04:06 PM Re: Selectif Pro - Applisonix [Re: cali2010]
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Well, speaking of objectivity, if you "give it a go", how do we know you will be objective with your observations? We can't get excited about promising technology and the emotion that goes with that theory stuff. If we saw solid patterns and critical mass where consumers were getting fantastic PERMANENT results based on sound scientific principles of tissue destruction, for any color or structure of hair on any color of skin, then I for one, would be thrilled for the world's hairy people and then pursue a career change.

We have ONE CENTURY AND A HALF of proof that electrolysis works on any color or structure of hair. Electrolysis works on people with no color and for people of color. Laser has been going strong since 1996 or so and we know what laser can do. Where are all those posters exclaiming in practical terms that Applisonix is fantastic? A testimonial from ONE user does not back up your argument. Can you direct us to any papers that Rox Anderson wrote about this product?

Theories do little to remove hair. Just try it, read up on hair growth cycles and then let us know how much hair you have left one year after you have stopped treatment with the Select Pro. It's just that simple. Kind of like, "Where's the beef?".

Thank you for your post.

Dee
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