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#66918 - 10/24/09 08:50 AM A blend adapted to these times.
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Hello everyone, I wonder if some of Hairtell electrologist, works with the Galvanic Blend less than a second. Thanks

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#66923 - 10/24/09 02:43 PM Re: A blend adapted to these times. [Re: ]
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Sodium hydroxide takes a few seconds to develop in the follicle therefore, blend activity would not take place.
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#66924 - 10/24/09 04:16 PM Re: A blend adapted to these times. [Re: Arlene R. Batz, CPE]
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The chemical reaction is to speed up the heat.
If simultaneously starting two electric currents, it can achieve hair removal in less than 1 second.
Frankly, the laws of physics are useful only if I can improve my work.
I think the direct current can only be an auxiliary alternating current.In the past, this extra help, served to enhance my thermolysis at 13.56 MHz. Today, the improvement has occurred thanks to the 27 MHz frequency.


Edited by depilacionelectr (10/24/09 05:01 PM)

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#66929 - 10/24/09 08:16 PM Re: A blend adapted to these times. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: depilacionelectr
Hello everyone, I wonder if some of Hairtell electrologist, works with the Galvanic Blend less than a second. Thanks


No. I agree with Arlene. Do you know something we don't?
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#66933 - 10/24/09 09:15 PM Re: A blend adapted to these times. [Re: dfahey]
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I think not, Dee. But you seem a practical (I say about your preference for thermolysis).
Do not you think it is absurd to extend the current application time, when you can get the same results without those extra seconds?
There is a chemical reaction in a split second, enough so that the needle is kept clean during the duration of the session. In the thermolysis, there is enough tissue damage to the hair is removed irreversibly. When working at 13.56 MHz stick remains on the needle. This does not occur if we add a little galvanic. Neither happens if we work at 27 MHz

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#66935 - 10/25/09 12:21 AM Re: A blend adapted to these times. [Re: ]
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What textbooks did you read? Who are the authors?
Were they translated from another language?

Its the electrocoagulation that takes place in a fraction of a second. Galvanic requires more time even when thermolysis is administered simultaneously or sequentially.

In any event, if you have discovered something new, it would
be quite exciting to read your source material and see what
happens when implemented.
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#66937 - 10/25/09 02:00 AM Re: A blend adapted to these times. [Re: Arlene R. Batz, CPE]
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Mike Bono has done lots with this type of thing, but most purists agree that it would not qualify to be called Blend. It is more accurate to say that it is Thermolysis with a galvanic current to keep the probe/needle clean. It is still effective, but the efficacy is owed to the high frequency current, not the galvanic companion.

I am unaware of any text books, or published work on the subject. It has been something that I have heard lots about in discussions with other practitioners. I guess that is one more thing that will have to wait for a Text Book of Un-Orthodox Electrolysis Practices.
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#66941 - 10/25/09 10:42 AM Re: A blend adapted to these times. [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Arlene, I think I have not found anything of interest to editors specialized in electrolysis, (unless any of them suffer hirsutism).
But no book I've read, never exceed the scientific rigor that have involved 30 years as a professional, responsible and love of the electrolysis.

I feel bad that even today, the electrologists maintain a debate on an issue that hurts so much to us and our customers. Unfortunately, electrolysis is best known for its slow pace due to its high effectiveness. It is time for this to change and any editor will do for us electrologist.

James, the only orthodox theory that allows me to my conscience, is one that favors the client in all aspects, quality, cleanliness and speed. If for that I must act against all the recommendations contained in the books, I will without hesitation.

Hinkel's book is very good, but contains statements with which I disagree, and that the thermolysis is less effective than galvanic.

The book by Richards and Meharg, not bad, but my experience is not consistent with some aspects recommended.
Sheila Godfrey's book is more of the same

Bono's book, is all I need to read, although I'd really like is difficult to achieve.

In line with what James says is true that this small amount of galvanic current is only useful to keep the needle clean. And that effectiveness is largely due to the high frequency current. But what is the problem? Effectiveness is not as important?
There is an aspect to take into account the small amount of sodium hydroxide produced in the follicle, offers more advantages of the aforementioned.
Allows diversification in follicles of different sizes in the same area.
Reduces the risk of overtreatment surface.
Help in the correct healing of the skin, etc, etc
With what we NEVER will agree, is that sodium hydroxide, more effective hair removal.








Edited by depilacionelectr (10/25/09 11:16 AM)

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#66942 - 10/25/09 11:27 AM Re: A blend adapted to these times. [Re: ]
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Another thing, I do not care what the purists call Blend, PseudoBlend or NoBlend, what really matters is that it accelerates the process, without undermining the skin.

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#66944 - 10/25/09 02:59 PM Re: A blend adapted to these times. [Re: ]
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depilacionelectr,

If you want to attempt putting your findings on paper, indicating your approach, self publishing is easy enough. Targeting your market is also simple.

If you want help with your research, the only one that I know of, who cared enough and who also probably has easier access to labs, I believe is Dr. James Schuster - should he still be interested. It is Schuster's research that gave some authors the information that, for me, made their textbooks more credible. Personal observation isn't as respected as controlled study -- even with the understanding of the probabilities of bias.

What next? Do you have a plan to share?

At my first job 20 years ago working in electrolysis, I worked in "Blend" exclusively where galvanic was administered for about a second as that was the way Marion Ellner wanted us to work with the Fischer. I found the work to be great and loved the machine however personally, I considered it to be Thermolysis and didn't think the galvanic had time to do much of anything.

In any event, I would love to add your technique to my work in test subjects that will be told that half of their body will be done as a thermolysis technique and the other half as a high speed blend technique. Explain what you think is optimal and I will follow your plan and I will try to set up a scenario to match yours. If we can try to have the same set up, that would be great but that is highly unlikely.
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