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#69513 - 02/02/10 10:00 PM Re: New to electrolysis - please help! [Re: dfahey]
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After eleven hours of uninterrupted work, I have one little time to put my two cents. It is absolutely false that the vocational electrologist have a conflict of interest. As you rightly said Dfahey, the better and more quickly remove the hair on our clients, other clients will come soon. Our work is cyclical. Future work for 2010 will depend on the treatments that we completed in 2009. I live in a Mediterranean coastal city, for us the working season begins again on the expiry summer, why? very simple, because when summer arrives clients enjoy the beach without hair on their bodies, often accompanied by her friends and family. As they inevitably discuss how happy they feel with his new hairless skin permanently. That is our real interest.

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#69516 - 02/02/10 11:45 PM Re: New to electrolysis - please help! [Re: ]
C O'Connell Offline
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Registered: 05/17/09
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I agree with Dee. When I first happened upon this forum, 8 or 9 months ago,I would have agreed with Galvaniczap, but that was before I began to work with the apilus platinum. It really is superior in every way,and clients skins after treatment, sometimes look like they didn't have treatment at all.
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#69517 - 02/03/10 01:40 AM Re: New to electrolysis - please help! [Re: C O'Connell]
James W. Walker VII Offline

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The only one cent I am going to add to this is that although we do advocate upgrading equipment (and that includes the magnification... strange everyone grips about our saying upgrade your machine, but hardly a peep about get better magnification and lighting) we also point out that there is nothing worse than someone with high powered equipment using it incorrectly.

A platinum or SX-500 can shorten the learning curve for a new electrolysis provider, but an old hand dogmatically tapping 3 to 5 times in the follicle using a Platinum is raining Hiroshima on the faces of their clients.

As for thermolysis, I will repeat, many galvanic and blend people will say that it is worse, in the same way that a person who has only driven an automatic transmission car will say that Manual stick transmission cars don't work, or don't work as well. The fault lies in the practitioner. It is true that the skills needed for good thermolysis work are different from the skills needed for good galvanic, and good blend. The similarity is that poor performance of any hair removal method will lead to unwanted side effects.

I know very few people who have used a platinum, or SX-500 and got good training on them who don't love them. In fact, after I did a guest stint at a few practices, the clients demanded the business upgrade to the equipment I was using, or they were going to look elsewhere.
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#69522 - 02/03/10 03:56 AM Re: New to electrolysis - please help! [Re: James W. Walker VII]
MagicalPrincessKitty Offline
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From a client perspective, I have had galvanic on an old Gentronics machine, and picoflash/synchro on an Apilus Platinum. I can't imagine any client preferring the galvanic. It hurts a bit more. It also left much darker and longer lasting red spots (3 weeks to fade instead of 4 days with the Apilus). Nothing bad, but slightly less convenient than the picoflash, and much slower for removing hair.

Do I dislike galvanic? Nope! It did the job, I have no real complaints. But I seriously doubt most clients would ever prefer it to well-performed thermolysis though, and your goal as an electrologist is to give your customer what he/she wants.

I agree that skill is the most important, because a botched thermolysis treatment seems scarier than a botched galvanic treatment. But really, botched ANYTHING shouldn't be acceptable no matter what the modality, right?

So all other things being equal (including relative skill with their respective machines), most of us will always choose the practitioner with the best/fastest/most comfortable equipment. It is so obvious that I'm shocked there's really a debate...
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1 laser session on underarms starting 07/02/10 (GentleLASE)
1 laser session on right arm starting 07/02/10 (GenteLASE)
6.75 hrs electrolysis on tummy starting 01/07/10 (Apilus Platinum, picoflash)
10 hrs electrolysis on arms starting 01/30/10 (Apilus Platinum, synchro/picoflash)
37.25 hrs DIY electrolysis on left arm (OneTouch and Instantron)
1.75 hrs DIY electrolysis on tummy (Instantron, thermolysis)

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#69523 - 02/03/10 05:19 AM Re: New to electrolysis - please help! [Re: dfahey]
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Whoa Dee....It seems I've hit a nerve here. If you read my post I was merely saying, maybe not succinctly enough, that skill is of primary importance and that the machine is secondary. Did I say go out and buy a 1940's machine and use it...nope.

If you had to have electrolysis done on yourself, would you rather have a person with your expertise using a 1940's machine or somebody off the street with an Apilus doing the work? Think about it for a while.

I never said computerized epilators weren't great but merely stated that they can't make a bad electrologist good. I never said thermolysis doesn't work but stated facts that have been known and researched since the modality was started in the 1920's. I'm not saying that every person that uses flash modality will cause skin damage. I'm saying that all things being even, given 1000 sessions with 1000 different electrologists, you will see more skin damage with flash than blend or multiple needle. It all comes down to the skill level of the electrologist. There are simply more things that can go wrong when you treat a hair in 200ms versus 10 seconds. The damage will be done before you even know it. The face would be a bad place for a novice with a flash machine to work on. It seems like everyone is taking this personally. That was not my intent. Just because you can successfully use a flash machine doesn't mean everyone else can. There are a lot of people out there that should not be using a flash machine. To give someone advice you have to look at the mix of electrologists out there and their expertise, or lack thereof. To tell someone only go to somebody who uses an Apilus or Machine XYZ, because they will do a better job, is plain wrong. It depends on who's using it.

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#69524 - 02/03/10 06:52 AM Re: New to electrolysis - please help! [Re: galvaniczap]
MagicalPrincessKitty Offline
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Registered: 09/01/09
Posts: 897
Loc: California
I don't think anyone ever implied that a novice doing flash thermolysis is a good thing. That's sort of a straw man argument there. Of course an inexperienced person doing thermolysis is worse than a very experienced person with galvanic. That's an unfair comparison though. It's like saying a faulty oven burns food more often than a properly working refrigerator. Yes, the statement is true, but that doesn't mean we should all bake our meals inside of refrigerators! It just means you use a better oven!

Anytime anyone recommends a certain machine on here, they either state (or assume) that the electrologist is a good one. If the potential client doesn't know the quality of the electrologist, they are encouraged to have a consultation and find out!

So the four options are: "Good but outdated", "Bad and outdated", "Good and state-of-the-art", "Bad and-state-of-the-art". Immediately we discard those who are bad (regardless of modality). Thus we are left with good thermolysis or good galvanic, and it's no contest.
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3.5 laser sessions on lower legs starting 09/24/09 (GentleLASE)
3 laser sessions on bikini starting 01/15/10 (GentleLASE)
1 laser session on underarms starting 07/02/10 (GentleLASE)
1 laser session on right arm starting 07/02/10 (GenteLASE)
6.75 hrs electrolysis on tummy starting 01/07/10 (Apilus Platinum, picoflash)
10 hrs electrolysis on arms starting 01/30/10 (Apilus Platinum, synchro/picoflash)
37.25 hrs DIY electrolysis on left arm (OneTouch and Instantron)
1.75 hrs DIY electrolysis on tummy (Instantron, thermolysis)

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#69535 - 02/03/10 03:21 PM Re: New to electrolysis - please help! [Re: MagicalPrincessKitty]
galvaniczap Offline
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Registered: 10/26/06
Posts: 28
It looks as if we're in agreement. If you read my original post and the reply, there are no points of contention in my statements or yours. Skill comes first then the machine. When anyone says find an electrologist with an Apilus and discard all others you are putting machine first and skill second.

The discussion really isn't about flash vs galvanic but flash vs blend. There can be compelling arguments made over the merits of both. Since ineptitude is the norm and not the exception, flash has it's place but is overused.

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#69539 - 02/03/10 06:57 PM Re: New to electrolysis - please help! [Re: galvaniczap]
dfahey Offline

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Registered: 10/27/03
Posts: 9615
Loc: Columbus, Ohio
LAgirl has been around here for a long time. She is our top poster. Anyone reading enough of her posts understand that skill matters most. That applies to James and myself as well. New members automatically get it,too, without being told. It's a "DUH" kind of thing.

There are some electrologists who are still writing articles about physics as it relates to 27 megahertz technology vs. 13.56 megahertz electrolyis epilators to disprove that one model is better than another model. Now we are back to flash thermolysis (as you think of it, galvanic, from the old days) verses galvanic or blend for our poster Emily who is seeking facial hair removal.

You did hit a nerve with me, galvaniczap, because Emily might think that blend or galvanic would be the the best and only way to go to resolve her hair problem when in fact, she could be well served with a skilled electrologist that has retooled and can offer a first full clearance quickly with one of the advanced forms of thermolysis offered on several epilator brands and models. It is not uncommon for modern electrolgists to totally clear chins, necks, sides of faces and maybe more in one long session. Many of us know this already and for those that don't now and never want to know, they are welcome to continue with whatever they are doing well. Consumers should know what is possible and shop until they find it.

Now back to our subject:

Emily, please come back with more detail. If the only electrologist you can see prefers one modality over another, just know that you will still get permanent hair removal. That is the beautiful thing about electrolysis. There are many paths to "killing a hair" under the big term called 'Electrolysis'. Keep your mind open to what an electrologist can do with the better tools and modes within modalities.

There are clues that will be present that will alert you if you think you may need to get other consults, as hard as that may be for you living in a small community. Do give the electrologist a chance to do her thing, but don't discount her if she chooses to do thermolysis only. Let us know of any concerns or questions you have as a newbie and we will all try to help you figure this out as best we can.


Dee
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