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#68864 - 01/13/10 02:10 AM My experience lasering female stomach & buttocks
marie24 Offline
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Hi all,

I wanted to share my experience of getting laser on my stomach and buttocks, since I'm a girl.

My laser place ran a special in October: Buy 5 treatments, get 5 treatments free. Their price is $1,000 for a series of 5 treatments on stomach, and $1,000 for a series of 5 treatments on buttocks. Since they were priced the same, I bought a package for $1,000: 5 treatments on buttocks, 5 treatments on stomach (so $500 for each set of 5 treatments - I thought that wasn't bad!)

Anyway I've had 2 treatments done on each area.. I get them done at the same time.

I have FINE hair on my stomach, and honestly wasn't expecting to see much of a result due to the hair being so fine but I figured this was my "free" package so why not. So far after only 2 treatments I have seen great results! There is no hair on my stomach after several weeks now and I doubt I'll even need 3 more treatments on the area. I am proof that laser CAN work on fine hair!

My laser technician told me that she did another woman's back who just had a few fine hairs here and there and after only 1 treatment, she hasn't needed any more treatments and it's been 4 months for her. She said some areas just respond better to laser than other areas.

Now for my buttocks, where the hair is thicker and more dense (similar to the hair on the back of my thighs - the hair pattern just continues upwards) I have NOT seen that great of results. I am disappointed and mentioned this to my technician today (was in for tx on another area) and she said she could increase the settings for tx #'s 4 and 5 if we don't see good clearance after tx #3. Right now it almost looks as if I haven't had anything done. It is frustrating because this hair IS coarser and thick/dense (similar to my legs) and I've had great results on my legs! Plus I know it can work on fine hair and my stomach is baby smooth.

I don't know what settings she used for either stomach or buttocks.. I never ask.

Anyway just wanted to share my experience. I think I'm going to hold off on any future stomach treatments for now and focus on buttocks.. and see if possible if they can substitute stomach tx's if buttocks don't get cleared after 5 tx.

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#68873 - 01/13/10 01:27 PM Re: My experience lasering female stomach & buttocks [Re: marie24]
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As has been said many times before here, with L.A.S.E.R. you pay your money and you take your chances. Sometimes the gamble pays off, and sometimes it ends in a loss. It seems that you have managed to breaks even.

The game is not over yet, though, you still have 3 more rolls of the dice before you can evaluate the full result.
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#68879 - 01/13/10 03:23 PM Re: My experience lasering female stomach & buttocks [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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I think you're celebrating way too early. I can guarantee you that you will see most of your hair on your stomach back. You only started in October and it's January and you've had 2 treatments. That means that there is no possible way that you have waited long enough to judge whether it's working at all. At this point, all you can judge is whether the hair has been burned off by the laser, which is normal. But I really doubt you have had any permanent effect on it. You need to wait 3-4 months after your last treatment to judge anything. It sounds like you're giving this feedback maybe 3-4 weeks after your last treatment? That's not indicative of your results.

I wouldn't even tell you to celebrate just yet if you had coarse dense hair as 2 treatments is not enough to get rid of more than 50% of it or so.

I would not have high expectations for either area if the hair is as fine as you describe.

Btw, you don't mention what laser is being used.

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#69250 - 01/26/10 08:01 AM Re: My experience lasering female stomach & buttocks [Re: LAgirl]
marie24 Offline
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LAGirl,

The laser is a Cynosure Apogee Elite.

I'm just sharing my experience so far. It's now close to the end of January and I still have almost no hair on my stomach. I got lasered towards the end of October and then again on Dec 19. I'm not saying I'm totally cleared and am cautiously hopeful. However I can only speak of my experience and right now my stomach has almost no hair on it, I have a sporadic dark hair here and there and that's it for right now.

If fine hair is zapped and disappears, how long does it take for fine hair to grow back? I've only had coarse hair zapped so far (legs, underarms, bikini) so doing stomach is the first time I've really treated a "fine hair" area.

I'm going back in early Feb for another treatment on both stomach and buttocks. There's hardly anything to laser on the stomach so I'm debating even wasting a treatment on an area with hardly any hair, but I think I'm going to do it anyway and then probably hold off on the remaining 2 treatment until I really see alot of hair growth, if and when that happens. I know I will probably be told to wait until I see hair growth, which I have always done in the past on all my other areas, but I just want to keep the schedule the same for both stomach and buttocks and keep them evenly spaced out.

I'm going to have her increase the intensity on the buttocks, since I don't feel I'm really seeing any shedding at all there. I really would like to see an improvement in that area. Will try to keep this thread updated.

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#69255 - 01/26/10 03:12 PM Re: My experience lasering female stomach & buttocks [Re: marie24]
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If there is nothing to treat, wait longer. You're having treatments pretty close together anyhow. You really should give it a minimum of 8 weeks, but closer to 12 weeks would give you a better idea of the reduction you're seeing.

There is no such thing as "keeping with the schedule" with laser. Your hair growth should dictate that schedule, i.e. you go in when there is enough growth to require it. Don't go by an arbitrary set schedule.

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#69569 - 02/04/10 05:23 AM Re: My experience lasering female stomach & buttocks [Re: LAgirl]
marie24 Offline
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Hi,

So here's my latest update.

I did start seeing some hair regrowth on my stomach. It was weird, I was seeing it pretty much only above my belly button. Below my belly button was still fairly clear. Is this some type of hormonal thing? I know the so-called happy trail is from your belly button down and I think is hormonal?

LA Girl you are right my treatments are closer than normal. With other body parts, I usually wait until I see hair regrowth before going back in.

However since I have had 2 treatments on my butt so far and did Not see any shedding, I was comfortable going back in at 7+ weeks. Trust me there was still alot of hair to laser since none had shed.

Anyway I went back in yesterday for 3rd tx on stomach and buttocks.

This time the technician did my stomach in 10 minutes. When she said she was done, I commented (nicely) that I was surprised at how quick she did my stomach. She said, well for you.. your stomach is small, so it's quicker for me to do it. Ok.. however I can tell there are hairs that were not zapped and will not shed.

Now on to my butt (so embarrasing).. I told her to "crank it up" as I hadn't seen any shedding in that area with the past 2 treatments. She said she had the laser "as high as it could go". Then at the end of my treatment, she changed her wording to "as high as I feel comfortable going." She said that the skin in the crease is darker and if she goes any higher it could cause blistering. Well I don't really care about the hair on the "inner" part.. I want the hair on my cheeks gone.

She seems to be using the same setting for my entire butt, where I think she should be using 2 settings, one for "inner" one for "outer". She said the setting was 30/15. I have no idea what that means.. is that high? Does that sound like a a reasonable setting for buttocks?

I am becoming increasingly disappointed. I can already tell that I am not going to see shedding from this 3rd treatment. The hair is still stuck in there.

I'm thinking of going to another laser place? ! She did my butt in under 20 min. So I was in and out of there in less than 30 minutes for stomach and butt, I could swear that my first 2 treatments were longer than 30 minutes! I feel like she did a hack job for some reason when in the past she's always been so thorough and detailed.


Edited by marie24 (02/04/10 06:02 AM)

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#69577 - 02/04/10 02:38 PM Re: My experience lasering female stomach & buttocks [Re: marie24]
edokid
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Do you know what settings they use? You should be seeing shedding though. I wouldn't be too too concerned about the speed though I really love the Apogee Elite and find it very fast. Do they do any pre-treatment before or does she just go to town? Like at my place, she has tons of stamps that are all in a grid pattern exactly the size of the laser head so she puts stamps all over the area, then covers it with ultrasound gel so she can quickly fire in each square on the stamp. It kind of disrupts the stamp colour so she can tell 100% which squares have been hit so she can go quickly. Last time I did my face my appointment was at 2pm and I was out at 2:30 and have no patchiness or anything. I've experienced what you mean before though when I was at another clinic, they seemed so through the one time then my second treatment they did for free and it seemed like she just flew through it and didn't care. If you're unhappy though go to somewhere else. The Apogee is definitely a great laser.

Question, do you find that it hurts during your treatments or rather do you at least feel it?

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#69580 - 02/04/10 04:37 PM Re: My experience lasering female stomach & buttocks [Re: ]
LAgirl Offline

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If they're using the alexandrite part of Apogee Elite, those settings could mean 30J and 15mm spot size or 30J and 15ms pulse width (since spot size is not adjustable on this machine). In order to treat finer hair, it could help to decrease the pulse width as low as possible, i.e. around 5ms on this machine.

Either way, as I mentioned earlier, laser DOES NOT work on the majority of the hair you're describing. So you should NOT expect great results or even good results. Only the most coarse hair will likely be permanently gone and then you will need to switch to electrolysis. I know it's not what you want to hear, but I'm trying to give you realistic expectations for the type of hair you're treating.

It's normal for the hair below the belly button to be impacted more with laser because the hair there is typically more coarse.

You shouldn't jump to conclusions on what will shed at this point. It's really hard to impossible to tell even if you think you can. BUT you should definitely go for a touchup at 3 weeks after this treatment to retreat whatever doesn't shed (if more than 10% was missed).

Are there other techs at this clinic? You should feel free to talk to the manager and choose the most experienced one to treat you next time.

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#69599 - 02/05/10 05:54 AM Re: My experience lasering female stomach & buttocks [Re: LAgirl]
marie24 Offline
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Registered: 11/29/03
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I have started looking into electrolysis for my stomach now. I can't fathom doing it on my butt.

I see people on the electrolysis board going in for upper lip week after week after week.. for 18 months..? That's just not feasible on a large treatment area.

I'm going to use the remaining 2 treatments on these areas since I've already prepaid for them and then switch to electolysis on at least my stomach.

I'm also going to try another laser place for one more treatment on my upper legs. I've had 5 treatments on that area and could use another.

I'm at the point now where I'm done giving tons of money to my current laser place.

Thanks for everyone's help so far.

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#69600 - 02/05/10 05:57 AM Re: My experience lasering female stomach & buttocks [Re: ]
marie24 Offline
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Registered: 11/29/03
Posts: 69
Originally Posted By: edokid
Do you know what settings they use? You should be seeing shedding though. I wouldn't be too too concerned about the speed though I really love the Apogee Elite and find it very fast. Do they do any pre-treatment before or does she just go to town? Like at my place, she has tons of stamps that are all in a grid pattern exactly the size of the laser head so she puts stamps all over the area, then covers it with ultrasound gel so she can quickly fire in each square on the stamp. It kind of disrupts the stamp colour so she can tell 100% which squares have been hit so she can go quickly. Last time I did my face my appointment was at 2pm and I was out at 2:30 and have no patchiness or anything. I've experienced what you mean before though when I was at another clinic, they seemed so through the one time then my second treatment they did for free and it seemed like she just flew through it and didn't care. If you're unhappy though go to somewhere else. The Apogee is definitely a great laser.

Question, do you find that it hurts during your treatments or rather do you at least feel it?


Hi edo,

They don't do any kind of pre-treatment. No stamping or gel. One technician did use gel on me in the past and I didn't care for it.

As for pain, well the perennial area was painful, but the outer butt cheeks did not hurt at ALL.. and I told her that. I felt nothing. So I know no hair was killed.

The hair is fine though in some areas, but coarser in others (like where my thighs turn in to my butt, it's still coarse there) and I'm not even sure that hair is going to shed.

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