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#71486 - 03/21/10 03:49 PM Re: Electrolysis/permanent scars [Re: ivmi]
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#71497 - 03/21/10 09:29 PM Re: Electrolysis/permanent scars [Re: dfahey]
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I will try in the morning (it'evening now) dee and others electrolygist, please can you ask some doctor for advice what treatment would be best for my scars? I've been visiting plastic surgeons and dermatologist and they dont want to do anything!!! and it's making me sooo depresd! they say that if they try to do anything to improve pits it can only get worse(resoult with worse scarring)! And I can't imagine why? If you can show my picture to some dermatologist or surgeon and explain my situation, if he could give me some advice? please guys, I'm freaking out frown . Next month, i will even go to see an psychologist couse I'm constantly in depression becouse of this. I know, you think that I'm crazy and that this is not that big problem, but I can't help it. i just want to smooth them out permanently..i know that they can't be deleted, i just want it to get better, and it seems that there is no doctor in my country who can and want to help me.
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#71516 - 03/22/10 11:13 AM Re: Electrolysis/permanent scars [Re: ivmi]
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as I promise here is my photo, it is almost 1 year from that electrolysis treatment. when i raise my eyebrow or do any other mimic it becomes visible in some sort of wrinkles frown

p.s. and I still have that eye twitching! so it is now about 3-4 months of eye twitching..and i dont drink coffe! i'm really start to think that it is caused with electrolysis treatment...


Edited by ivmi (03/22/10 11:17 AM)
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#71518 - 03/22/10 12:54 PM Re: Electrolysis/permanent scars [Re: ivmi]
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Off the top of my head, calcium, magnesium vitamin B complex, and potassium are the nutrients that can help this. Interestingly, these are all depleted by stress. People with eye and leg twitches are frequently instructed to eat bananas. I used to have this problem, but either the kookie vitamins and water worked, or it was all in my head to begin with. wink


Here is what the experts have to say about Eye Twitching.

What causes eye twitching?

Blepharospasm or eye twitching is believed to be caused by an abnormal functioning of certain nerve areas located at the base of the brain which control the coordination of muscle movements. In the majority of people it appears without any real known cause. Frequently, the signs and symptoms of dry eye occur right before or along with the appearance of eye twitching. Some research indicates that dry eye is a trigger for blepharospasm in those people who are may develop it. Occasionally eye twitching may run in families or be side effects of certain medications.
Other common eye twitch causes include:

* Stress
* Irritation of the Cornea or Conjunctiva
* Fatigue
* Lack of sleep
* Prolonged staring at a computer screen or television
* Nervous system disorders

As always, we recommend that you consult your doctor to find the real cause of eye twitch.

http://www.eyecaresource.com/conditions/eye-twitching/causes.html

Eye twitching, eyelid tics and spasms are pretty common. Usually only the bottom lid of one eye is involved, but the top eyelid also can twitch. Most eye twitches come and go, although they can last for weeks or even months.

I once received an e-mail from a patient's wife, who told me her left lower eyelid had been twitching for several weeks, and it was driving her crazy. Could I help?

To find a solution for twitching eyes, we needed to determine the underlying cause of this annoying problem. Called myokymia in doctor lingo, these rippling muscle contractions in an eyelid can be triggered by:

* Stress
* Tiredness
* Eyestrain
* Caffeine
* Alcohol
* Dry eyes
* Nutritional imbalances
* Allergies

Almost all sudden-onset eyelid twitching is benign, meaning the condition is not serious or a sign of a medical problem. However, this kind of eye twitching also can be hard to treat. The only option for making the twitching stop may be to figure out the cause and deal with it.

More serious forms of eyelid twitching are caused by neurological conditions such as blepharospasm or hemifacial spasm. These conditions are much less common and should be diagnosed and treated by an eye doctor.
Why Does My Eye Twitch?

Stress: While we're all under stress at times, our bodies react in different ways. Eye twitching can be one sign of stress, especially when it is related to vision problems such as eye strain (see below). Reducing the cause of the stress can help make the twitching stop.

Tiredness: A lack of sleep, whether because of stress or some other reason, can trigger eyelid spasms. Catching up on your sleep can help.

Eyestrain: Vision-related stress can occur if, for instance, you need glasses or a change of glasses. Your eyes may be working too hard, triggering eyelid twitching. Computer eye strain from computer use is also a very common cause of vision-related stress.

If your eyelid twitching is persistent and very annoying (like the problem experienced by my patient's wife), you should have an eye exam, because you may need vision correction. If you spend a lot of time on the computer, you also should consider talking to your eye doctor about special computer eyeglasses.

Caffeine and alcohol: Many experts believe that too much caffeine and/or alcohol can trigger eye twitches. If your caffeine (coffee, tea, soda pop, etc.) and/or alcohol intake has increased, cutting back is worth a try.
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When your eyelid is twitching, you may feel that everyone else can see it! But usually the spasm is so subtle that it goes unnoticed by others.

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Dry eyes: More than half the older population experiences dry eyes, due to aging. Dry eyes also are very common for people who use computers, take certain medications (antihistamines, antidepressants, etc.), wear contact lenses and consume caffeine and/or alcohol. If you are tired and under stress, you also may develop dry eye. It's best to see your eye doctor for a dry eye evaluation, because many treatments are now available.

Nutritional imbalances: Some reports indicate a lack of certain nutritional substances, such as magnesium, can trigger eyelid spasms. Although these reports lack scientific evidence, I can't rule this out as a possible cause of eyelid twitching. If you suspect a nutritional deficiency may be affecting you, however, I suggest talking this over with your family doctor for expert advice rather than randomly buying over-the-counter nutritional products.

Allergies: People with eye allergies can have itching, swelling and watery eyes. When eyes are rubbed, this releases histamine into the lid tissues and the tears. This is significant, because some evidence indicates that histamine can cause eyelid twitching.

To offset this problem, some eye doctors have recommended antihistamine eye drops or tablets to help some eyelid twitches. But remember that antihistamines also can cause dry eyes. It's best to work with your eye doctor to make sure you're doing the right thing for your eyes.
Eye Twitching Remedies

In rare cases, some eye twitches just don't go away. Some of these types of twitches can be successfully treated with Botox injections that help stop muscle contractions. See your eye doctor for proper diagnosis and treatment if the twitching affects half your face or your entire eye, causing the lids to clamp shut.

So, what caused my patient's wife to have eyelid twitching? The problem turned out to be a combination of dry eyes and an incorrect contact lens prescription. Luckily, I was able to solve her annoying problem by prescribing new bifocal contacts made of a material designed specifically for people with dry eyes.
http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/eye-twitching.htm#remedies
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#71519 - 03/22/10 01:03 PM Re: Electrolysis/permanent scars [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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thank you james, i will ask my boyfriend to translate it to me, it's a huge text. but do you have some advice fot pitting? do you have anyone(any doctor) who you can ask ybout my problem, i really don't understand why all the doctors I've visited said that it can't be improved, becouse if they try whit any known method I'll turn up whit more visible scarring... frown so it seems hopless


Edited by ivmi (03/22/10 01:03 PM)
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#71610 - 03/24/10 08:43 AM Re: Electrolysis/permanent scars [Re: ivmi]
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hi! i've asked on medical forum about twitching and if electrolysis could damage the nerve...here is what he said...
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Neurology/twitching/show/1200748
so anyone to comment my new scars photo? any new advices?
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#71617 - 03/24/10 12:37 PM Re: Electrolysis/permanent scars [Re: ivmi]
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You are certainly invited to give some neurologist an office visit if you want to take his advice. Of course, I have not seen you in person, and I don't know the full details of your prior treatments, but I gotta tell you, for electrolysis to be at fault here, you would have had a lot more physical manifestations a whole lot sooner than 4 months after the fact. With as many ways as one can have a twitching eye, trying to blame the electrolysis work 4 months ago for it is just a LONG stretch. (other than the stress can cause it angle as stated above)

For reference, I submit to you that in the average electrolysis session, the subject of the treatments is left unable to get goose bumps for about 24 to 48 hours. After this time, that reflex response is returned to full functioning. The nerve bundle around the hair is in the same general area as the muscle responsible for goose bumps, (some cultures call this chicken skinned) To cause the amount of damage that is suggested by the neurologist, one would have had serious bleeding and possible vision side effects immediately after the treatment. Did the practitioner spend 30 seconds holding a cotton ball on your eyelid after every insertion? If not, I would be skeptical, but by all means, go visit as many doctors as you like to get their opinion.
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#71629 - 03/24/10 08:49 PM Re: Electrolysis/permanent scars [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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thank you james for your reply. No i didn't got any bleeding, i was swollen a bit more than before...my signs of overtreatment become very visible the morning after (I got the electrolysis in the evening) and when I woke up next morning I could barely open my eyes....and I was swollen like that for almost 3 days..after that the dots become visible changing collor from red to pink and than to brown...i also got some scabs, which fall of a week after treatment (after i took a shower - I think that they got wet and fall of, BUT I DIDNT PICK THEM OF!) that's my whole story of that treatment...and about treatment... wll it was sligtly more painful than before, and I experienced some numbness after few inserts - the whole area was numb and a almost didn't feel any hair ...thats all...
if this can help you...
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#71665 - 03/25/10 05:29 PM Re: Electrolysis/permanent scars [Re: ivmi]
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We all know that you have been overtreated, but I would be skeptical of the idea that the electrolysis caused the eye twitching, as stated above.
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#71669 - 03/25/10 09:00 PM Re: Electrolysis/permanent scars [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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I agree. Eye twitching is most commonly a stress issue. Considering your posts here about the scarring situation, I would much sooner attribute it to your stress levels.

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