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#77978 - 08/20/10 10:14 PM Re: Chin waxing? and which wax is best for short hairs [Re: peace1]
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Other electrologists can step up to a higher level of learning and they can invest in the better tools, no matter where on earth they may live. If the consumer demands it and the business is willing to adjust to those demands then they will have work. Most businesses want the customer to choose them. The good ones will adjust to the needs of the consumer and change their business plan so they can stay viable. The ones who don't will whither away. That is why it is important for the consumer to give feedback. It is all about attitude and freedom. You put one or two electrologists in London that are ten steps ahead of the ones that you are not pleased with and KABOOM! the mediocre practitioner will be eating the dust of the best electrologists who understand change and competition. It's called FREE MARKET COMPETITION and it works naturally well as long as certain entities get out of the way. The consumer wins with the electrologists that get it and the electrologist that was too stubborn to move forward and learn better techniques, just whithers away. When the consumer is served well and walks away happy, that enhances the life of both the practitioner and the client - such a lovely ending. The world is too big for the number of highly trained electrologists that are working today. We need more of them! tired (tired)
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#77979 - 08/20/10 10:22 PM Re: Chin waxing? and which wax is best for short hairs [Re: dfahey]
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All good points Dee but it's not happening. They are the best electrologists in London and the way electrolysis is going here in the UK I doubt they will have any competition to rock the boat.

I'm all for upgrading to better technology but in this case I personally don't think that's what's causing the issue.
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[27hrs of Blend, April 2008-Dec 2010 in UK, for coarse hair on lower sideburns, coarse chin hair, completed upper lip, shaped eyebrows]
[Sept 2011 to date, once yearly sessions with Josefa. Completed reduction of facial/neck fuzz in approx 27 hrs TTT]

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#77980 - 08/20/10 11:16 PM Re: Chin waxing? and which wax is best for short hairs [Re: stoppit&tidyup]
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What do you think the problem is, stoppit?
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#77981 - 08/21/10 12:49 AM Re: Chin waxing? and which wax is best for short hairs [Re: dfahey]
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Oh, probably rude of me to ask. You don't have to respond.
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#77983 - 08/21/10 01:59 AM Re: Chin waxing? and which wax is best for short hairs [Re: stoppit&tidyup]
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Originally Posted By: stoppit&tidyup
Just tell her that you want to clear *all* the hairs on the chin, regardless of whether they look obvious to her or not. {Remember James' definition in a recent thread of 'clearance' for many people being only what can be seen from a 4ft distance in normal lighting.}

It doesn't sound like you are saying that she can't see fine, 1mm long hairs, so I doubt the problem is lighting. You only attend for a limited time each treatment, working on various areas not just the chin. She probably does what she sees as the most obvious hairs in the given time. Book an extra appointment just for the chin ask for total clearance of all the hair, then you will have a better idea of what's going on.


I did tell her, there's the whole shadow you can see under the chin, and also have booked full sessions just for that, because she says there's not much work to do on the upper lip and eyebrows, but when I see what has actually been taken off, it's nothing.

Lighting must play a part. But I don't know. For example, my eyebrows. Forget the main two lines you get. You know the part in the middle, it seems she focuses more on one side than the other, in the middle. So one part of the middle is very fine in hairs, the other side has lines of hairs. And I wonder why those weren't removed either.
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#77984 - 08/21/10 02:02 AM Re: Chin waxing? and which wax is best for short hairs [Re: dfahey]
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I mentioned it on the previous page. If the client only spends 30mins per appointment, used on more than one area of the face, the electrologist is only going to do what appears to him/her to be the obvious hairs. And we know that there is often a difference between the hairs that the electrologist sees as most obvious and what most bother the client.

So if one area has hairs that are bothersome even after treatment, I'd personally let my electrologist know and ask him/her to devote a whole session on clearing everything/as much as possible just in that one area. If even after the electrologist saying 'I've cleared everything', the client sees bothersome hairs, then one can say the lighting equipment etc is really letting the treatment down.

I hope I'm making sense.
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Laser for reduction on Underarms, Bikini, Full Legs & 3/4 Arms. Skin type IV
Electrolysis - Further details in: My sister's electrolysis diary
[27hrs of Blend, April 2008-Dec 2010 in UK, for coarse hair on lower sideburns, coarse chin hair, completed upper lip, shaped eyebrows]
[Sept 2011 to date, once yearly sessions with Josefa. Completed reduction of facial/neck fuzz in approx 27 hrs TTT]

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#77985 - 08/21/10 02:04 AM Re: Chin waxing? and which wax is best for short hairs [Re: dfahey]
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I'm telling the truth and I am honestly not trying to exaggerate.

My upperlip was going well, so now what happens is the hair grows back. I go in to get the hairs removed and am told there's not much there. The thing is, when I go home, I look in the mirror, and I wear glasses (very bad eyesight) and with that I can see hair. If I can, so can others, and that is without focusing on one area. I think if I was to get clearance on that area, I would be waiting there for ages, with this old machine. And even if they upgraded, well, that wouldn't happen soon anyway. I don't think the enthusiasm you guys have exists here. It does to an extent, but is not stretched far, or perhaps this machine would have been bought ages ago.

I like new technology, especially if it of benefit. If I was skilled in using a certain machine, be it for hair removal or for designing a website, I would jump up to see what the new apparatus looks like and buy it if it was within my budget. Here it's not like that. They go slow, and they don't think it is necessary.

It's like, the job is loved, but not enough to love it even more. I dunno.
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#77986 - 08/21/10 02:05 AM Re: Chin waxing? and which wax is best for short hairs [Re: stoppit&tidyup]
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Yea I get you. I have dedicated sessions for my chin because she said I didn't need to work on upperlip and eyebrows so I took her advice. But then she says there's nothing there and says let me look at eyebrows or chin instead. I dunno. How else can I explain it.
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#77987 - 08/21/10 02:12 AM Re: Chin waxing? and which wax is best for short hairs [Re: peace1]
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Originally Posted By: peace1

I did tell her, there's the whole shadow you can see under the chin, and also have booked full sessions just for that, because she says there's not much work to do on the upper lip and eyebrows, but when I see what has actually been taken off, it's nothing.

Lighting must play a part. But I don't know. For example, my eyebrows. Forget the main two lines you get. You know the part in the middle, it seems she focuses more on one side than the other, in the middle. So one part of the middle is very fine in hairs, the other side has lines of hairs. And I wonder why those weren't removed either.



She has done 'full sessions', I assume moving hair at her normal rate but it doesn't make much difference? You therefore must have more bothersome hair than she can tackle in that amount of time. So we can assume she's removing more shorter hairs and missing some of the longer ones?

And if she seems to think it's not the most obvious hair on your face but then it's up to you to tell her that you want complete clearance of that area anyway and keep going regularly until you achieve it.
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31/F/UK
Laser for reduction on Underarms, Bikini, Full Legs & 3/4 Arms. Skin type IV
Electrolysis - Further details in: My sister's electrolysis diary
[27hrs of Blend, April 2008-Dec 2010 in UK, for coarse hair on lower sideburns, coarse chin hair, completed upper lip, shaped eyebrows]
[Sept 2011 to date, once yearly sessions with Josefa. Completed reduction of facial/neck fuzz in approx 27 hrs TTT]

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#77988 - 08/21/10 02:18 AM Re: Chin waxing? and which wax is best for short hairs [Re: stoppit&tidyup]
peace1 Offline
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You know you get the hairs that are on the chin but roll off onto the partunder your chin so when you look, it's like you can see a gap between the hair and the skin? I wanted those removed. I assume from that angle they don't see that, so when I point it out it is still difficult to catch, but I believe now there is no need for me to carry on with areas like that there as it will be too time consuming. I will just focus on eyebrows and upperlip and save up to go Spain as it seems the best option right now.
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