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#80923 - 12/10/10 05:11 PM Plucking by Governments and The Medical Industry
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Originally Posted By: cheshirecat
I know this issue needs to be addressed. I'm in a difficult predicament as I have been referred for treatment at the hospital on the NHS so do not have the option to shop around. The NHS will only cover one half hour session each week on the face (chin, moustache and sides) presumably until the hair is gone. I have been for approximately 6 sessions and have never achieved full clearance (currently just working on the chin as this is the major problem area) in one session due to there being too many hairs for half an hour's work.


This is why a majority of Americans do not want to give up their freedoms to a porky, socialist government that fails in the end when it runs out of money. I feel sorry for you even though it's "free" hair removal on their terms.


Edited by James W. Walker VII (12/22/10 12:11 PM)
Edit Reason: This needed to be broken away from the original thread, as it is pages of off topic discussion
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#80924 - 12/10/10 05:22 PM Re: Plucking by electrologist [Re: dfahey]
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Don't start me to talking political, but come on, the government never runs out of money. They just run out of room in the arbitrarily funded budget. It is like when you tell your kid you don't have any money for that new $60 video game. You have $500 in your pocket, but even if you have already paid all your bills, you are not willing to budget $60 for that useless waste of funds. The kid seethes in his seat as he watches you buy some $100 item that HE thinks is unnecessary (like concert tickets) and wonders how you can justify buying that but not "his" video game.

Governments operate by taking more and more from you, while giving as little as they can back.
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#80929 - 12/10/10 11:01 PM Re: Plucking by electrologist [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Dee, they have the option to pay out of their pocket in the UK just like Americans do. Americans wouldn't be giving anything up. They'd simply be gaining an option on top of the one they already have.

And James, government doesn't have any stake in keeping more of anything. Corporations are the ones who have to show profit every quarter to their shareholders. Insurance companies can't show profit unless they don't pay for some of your expenses or raise your premiums.

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#80930 - 12/10/10 11:22 PM Re: Plucking by electrologist [Re: LAgirl]
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The stake that governments have in taking more from you, and giving you less in return is in service to the betterment of the corporations whose boards of directors, and stake holders control both. When ever corporations want something they should not have, they simply have government mandate it. If you want to know who controls the government, just find out who controls the banks (and cross reference that list with who controls the corporations for overlap).

The new governor elect of New York State ran on his record as attorney general. He said he had spent his time fighting fraud. Strange thing he did nothing about banks beginning the policy of charging check cashing fees up to $20 to people looking to cash checks drawn on their bank, even though this is technically breech of promise to the account holder who wrote the check. Things that make you go, "hmmm."
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#80932 - 12/11/10 02:13 AM Re: Plucking by electrologist [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Do yourself a favor LAgirl and go see "Inside Job". Hopefully, it is still playing in NYC. This is a big boys world with government, academia (Columbia and Harvard especially) and bankers screwing all of us "little people" and we taxpayers are expected to bail them out while they walk away richer with no accountability or stain.

Socialism eventually fails because you run out of other peoples money. When freebies or subsidies are cut, then you have anarchy. Charles and Camilla got a taste of that yesterday.

May I ask the poster why she has to go to an NHS approved hospital. Why can't you just pay out of pocket for any or as many electrologists you want to???
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#81010 - 12/14/10 10:53 AM Re: Plucking by electrologist [Re: dfahey]
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OK so I am going for my weekly appointment today and intend to discuss this with her as diplomatically as possible. If the issue is down to the fact the settings are too low I will ask her to increase them as she sees fit (there shouldn't be an issue in trying this as I haven't had a bad reaction on the current settings). If I'm feeling brave enough I may explain that those insertions which are deeper/held in longer seem to work best, although I do think this may come across as patronising and would be nervous about telling her how to do her own job! (James for this reason although I am grateful for your kind offer to potentially help her with my case I don't think this is something she herself would appreciate).

The machine she uses is a silhouette but I'm not sure which model (will have a nosey today) in conjunction with a large magnifying glass with light.

I won't get in to the debate about healthcare provision in the US/UK except to say I am glad there is at least a 'free' option there for me as I do not earn enough (currently studying and working only part time) to be able to fund this myself from a private provider.

I shall report back later on how this session went. Fingers crossed for an improvement...


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#81016 - 12/14/10 04:32 PM Re: Plucking by electrologist [Re: cheshirecat]
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Originally Posted By: cheshirecat

I won't get in to the debate about healthcare provision in the US/UK except to say I am glad there is at least a 'free' option there for me as I do not earn enough (currently studying and working only part time) to be able to fund this myself from a private provider.

I shall report back later on how this session went. Fingers crossed for an improvement...




Noted and well said. Just hope that austerity measures being taken now does not find it's way into the NHS to cut electrolysis care for patients like you who need care, but can not afford it at this time. I see the students are not happy about the tuition increases, but I don't think electrolysis clients would be in the streets jabbing Charles and Camilla if their benefits were taken away. Electrolysis clients are much more kinder than students. (Just a light-hearted joke everyone - calm down)

If she has a Silhouet-Tone VMC model, that is awesome, but any epilator will affect hair growing tissue if used correctly and skillfully. Good luck to you cheshirecat.
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#81019 - 12/14/10 04:46 PM Re: Plucking by electrologist [Re: dfahey]
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James, banks are private corporations too who also have to show a profit. What you're really talking about is lobbiests (those people are who paid by these corporations to schmooze government members to vote in those corporations' favor), which is a separate issue altogether. What you should really be promoting is getting rid of the entire lobbying system, not the government, and I would be with you on that front. The purpose of the government as it stands in the US is to act on behalf and in the interest of the people, not corporations. The fact that lobbies exist doesn't take away from that intended purpose. And banks that were partly responsible for getting us into this mess did so because lobbiest prevented the government from establishing rules that they had to play by. You should be FOR the government restricting banks from playing the betting game without any rules.

Dee, there is only one group that's out to "screw the little people" as you put it - the Republican Party that stands for corporate interests. The opposite that you claim is just a bunch of Fox News propoganda to rally people to think that trickle-down economics works (that entire channel was created for this purpose and it's been working well for Murdoch). The fact that it hasn't worked in the last 10 years should tell you that much. The entire goal of the Republican Party has been to convince those "little people" that giving tax breaks and other benefits to corporations is in the "little people's" best interests.

Throwing out that "scary" word "socialism" like it's some type of a bad thing that US has avoided thus far is another one of Fox News illogical tricks. Socialism is quite prevalent in the US already - unless you're against and want to abolish all of Social Security, Medicare, FDA, all organizations in charge or transportation and roads, the police force, firefighters, public schools, and thousands of other government-funded and managed operations, it's ridiculous to even bring it up.



The poster doesn't HAVE to go anywhere. They have a choice to go somewhere free and somewhere not free, and they're choosing the free option given their circumstances. Americans in that situation have to live with their hair.

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#81020 - 12/14/10 05:02 PM Re: Plucking by electrologist [Re: LAgirl]
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Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals: Rule #13 Isolate and demonize. Fox News must be getting too close to the truth because rule #13 is used quite vociferously against Fox News and their ratings keep soaring. Hmm, interesting.

Edit: And don't be ridiculous and dramatic about abolishing police and fire fighters and such. That shows your anger and everyone knows that is too draconian. Yes, we have socialism here in many forms, thus the push back from people like me. It doesn't work because it is not sustainable.



Edited by dfahey (12/14/10 05:34 PM)
Edit Reason: more thoughts - sorry!
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#81021 - 12/14/10 05:27 PM Re: Plucking by electrologist [Re: dfahey]
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I'm not angry - you probably know my straightforward writing style by now. Fox News is entertaining, actually. Glenn Beck is quite a riot after a few drinks. And I brought it up because you are quoting them. Does that make me a radical? What am I radical about? Being radical is proposing to abolish the government altogether as James seems to suggest. All I did is demonstrate that your statements are not logical.

I brought up fire fighters and police to make an obvious point. There is no logical or rational reason to claim that that type of socialism is fine and the one concerning healthcare isn't. The way our system is set up currently is to encourage insurance companies to get out of paying as many claims as possible so they can make the most profit (their goal and commitment to shareholders as publicly traded corporations). I've worked for publicly traded companies all of my life so far. I know what we're being asked to do. Working for yourselves may have isolated you from that.

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