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#81431 - 12/28/10 06:37 PM After first clearance?
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I am a little confused about after your first clearance?
So i always thought that once you achieve full clearance on an area, "which is treating all the hairs in that area in one sitting." you will only need touch up or maintenance treatments after that correct?

I am asking cause when i go for electrolysis every week, she totally clears my neck and cheek area every time i go in which i thought is full clearance?

By next week or two though i almost have full regrowth of the hair that was treated or the new hair that is replacing that previously treated hair?

pretty much what im saying is when you get full clearance on area should you see new hair growing in almost every follicle that has been treated within a week to two week span? or should you just have a few hairs that just pop up time to time that need touch up treatments?

I get full clearance every week i go in, but i feel within a week or two all the hair that has been treated is back. so i still have to go in every week. i thought once you get full clearance you don't have to go every week anymore and the healing time is quicker cause your treating less hair at a time. cause that not the case for me....?

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#81435 - 12/28/10 09:15 PM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Jhair]
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For the first few months of electrolysis, it might seem as if "everything" is coming back when in fact that's just the next phase of hair growth which was previously dormant. However, it's equally possible that your treatment is just inadequate.

How long have you been having treatments? Being realistic (and allowing for the fact that not all electrologists are as amazing as Josefa, Dee and James, but this doesn't mean their work is useless either), I wouldn't panic if you still see a lot of hair returning after only a few months of treatment. HOWEVER, after about 4-5 months you should notice that the period of time taken to clear you diminishes, and you can go a little longer between appointments. If this isn't happening, then you might start to question your electrologist's skill.

As a point of reference: my upper arms took 4 hours to clear 11 months ago. Now, they take about 1.5 hours. I get on average one clearance every month. I still see new hairs popping up within 2 weeks of treatment, but much fewer than when I started, which gives me hope!

Oh, also, you should get your hormones checked in case they are causing new hairs to appear.

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#81449 - 12/29/10 06:39 PM Re: After first clearance? [Re: bea25]
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There can always be multiple hair roots emerging from a single pore, each hair having it's own growth cycle. In this case, it can seem as if the same hair is re-growing, when it is not actually the case.

The other situation is one of under-treatment, where the hair comes out, but the root/bulb remains largely intact. After a few days of recovery, the root generates new hair because it has not been completely destroyed.
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#81459 - 12/30/10 01:57 AM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Caith721]
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Its just how do I determine this? I mean right now my neck area is completely clear! I got treatment yesterday. But by next week I will have a few hairs popping back out and in two weeks I will have full regrowth of hair or new hair?I have only been having electrolysis done for about 2 and half months now so it's hard to determine?


Edited by Jhair (12/30/10 01:57 AM)

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#81464 - 12/30/10 03:58 AM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Jhair]
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Hi. I am just new here, I've been reading some post and researching facts about laser hair removal so I'd have an idea and enough knowledge when I decide to give it a go but I also really wanted to seek advise if you know the best clinic around Heathrow area? If you can refer one that would be so great!! Thanks in advance and happy new year to y'all! Also would love to hear more about IPL and why and how it is different or similar with just laser? I'm kinda lost at that part but really would appreciate your input smile
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#81470 - 12/30/10 02:04 PM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Jhair]
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Originally Posted By: Jhair
Its just how do I determine this? ... I have only been having electrolysis done for about 2 and half months now so it's hard to determine?


The time needed for each full clearance should become successively smaller. Anyway i am surprised that full clearance shall be possible every two weeks; "visually full" regrowth of successfully epilated hair usually takes longer - for facial you might expect at least 6 weeks for "full" regrowth.

An example from my practice: the first clearance of one of my customers took 21 hours (dense and full male beard, thick, entirely white hair). More than two months later, the second clearance took just 9.5 hours.

Beate


Edited by beate_r (12/30/10 02:05 PM)
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#81471 - 12/30/10 06:43 PM Re: After first clearance? [Re: beate_r]
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Originally Posted By: beate_r
Anyway i am surprised that full clearance shall be possible every two weeks; "visually full" regrowth of successfully epilated hair usually takes longer - for facial you might expect at least 6 weeks for "full" regrowth.
Beate


Thats why i am asking cause that's exactly what i thought beat_r? It should take longer for the hair to grow back then only two weeks?

Here is my neck area that is completely cleared after my previous treatment 2 days ago. now if "you" were clearing this area, normally about how long before "you" would see regrowth and have clear this area again?
"right click on image and hit view image if you want a larger view"


I am going to post a picture in about 2 weeks to show you what my regrowth looks like also. cause im sure i will have it all back by then.

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#81478 - 12/30/10 11:15 PM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Jhair]
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Full regrowth is just a little bit more than the time the hair needs to come back after pure mechanical plucking. If the hair ha been killed correctly (and even partly) it will usually come back in its forthcoming regrowth cycle - i.e. several *months* later. Regrowth in successfull electrology is the growth of new, formerly unepilated hair. It starts immediately after treatment in for of few very fine hair getting more and more intense over *several* weeks.

Just a question: Do You feel some kind of plucking? Or does the hair slide out smoothly?

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cause when i go for electrolysis every week, she totally clears my neck and cheek area every time i go in which i thought is full clearance?


If this acutally happens once a week over - let me count - 10? - treatments with "full" clearance and no improvement either in visible amount of hair or in time to achieve full clearance, i talk about that to Your electrologist and possibly try out another one. Then You have direkt comparison of two working approaches an can see who of the two is better suited for Your individual situation.
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#81479 - 12/30/10 11:15 PM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Jhair]
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Dude believe me I had the same issue as you.
I did my genital hair and within two weeks I saw regrowth from the treated spots. I was like 'this ain't working'
But after a while you suddenly see reduction and from THAT moment on you will see reduction every time.
Do you have medditeranian blood? Looking at your skin you might....I have, and believe me we have a lot of multiple follicles....more hairs growing to a single pore....
So you might thing it's not working, but it is....As long as you see that shiny sheath around the hair when she pulls them out....

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#81480 - 12/31/10 12:04 AM Re: After first clearance? [Re: beate_r]
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Originally Posted By: beate_r
Just a question: Do You feel some kind of plucking? Or does the hair slide out smoothly?

Yes! most of the time i feel no plucking sensation and the hair does slide out smoothly besides the couple stubborn ones and if so she just zaps the hair again. But not all of the hairs have the clear sheaths that everyone talks about which kind of worries me? they all have the little black ball thing at the end though so idk if thats a good thing.

And toeman, yes i am of Mediterranean decent so that could be it smirk

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#125068 - 11/07/17 06:23 AM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Jhair]
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Has anyone on here had Permanent removal that they don’t have to go back to Electrolysis ever??? I mean it seems like once you start the Chin you never are free to not do touch ups. I just want to understand smile

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#125098 - 11/09/17 05:55 AM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Jhair]
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If you clear each time does that mean the treatment time will be less? How many full clearances does it take to kill the area???

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#125184 - 11/13/17 12:12 PM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Jhair]
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As long as you clear out all the hair in the treated area in less than 6 weeks, each time you should be on schedule to get finished less than 24 months. If you fully cleared everything in 3 weeks or less each time, you could finish sooner.
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#125196 - 11/15/17 02:28 AM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Jhair]
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Thank you for answering!!!!!

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#125226 - 11/21/17 01:58 AM Re: After first clearance? [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Originally Posted By James W. Walker VII
As long as you clear out all the hair in the treated area in less than 6 weeks, each time you should be on schedule to get finished less than 24 months. If you fully cleared everything in 3 weeks or less each time, you could finish sooner.


How many clearances do you need to do to notice a difference typically?

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#125234 - 11/21/17 10:04 PM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Jhair]
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Six to eight clearances, over 6 to 8 months gives one the idea that electrolysis is working and will solve their problem.
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#125334 - 12/06/17 11:00 PM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Jhair]
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How far apart is too far for sessions? Mine told me to come back every couple of months...every 6-8 weeks? Is this useless? Should I switch practitioners? Will I miss all the growth cycles??

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#125406 - 12/13/17 01:10 AM Re: After first clearance? [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Originally Posted By James W. Walker VII
As long as you clear out all the hair in the treated area in less than 6 weeks, each time you should be on schedule to get finished less than 24 months. If you fully cleared everything in 3 weeks or less each time, you could finish sooner.

Again, the answer is still yes, you would get finished on that schedule if you manage to clear out all the visible hairs in that rotation of 6 to 8 weeks.

Of course, you may be looking for someone other than me to answer that question, in which case... I wish you luck with that.
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#125409 - 12/13/17 05:55 AM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Jhair]
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Notice that you will be finished of you choose the right electrologist. Sometimes people forget that this is not the Apilus that does the work. This is the practionner. A good electrolosgit can use Apilus, hinkel, Instantron, stereo, sorisa... with good succes in killing hair permanently.

Figuring out what time is good to let between clearance is something you definitely want to know. CHOOSING someone you does kill hair the first time is I think you understood REALY important.

You want to be finished in less than 24 month ? Don't forget that this will not be the case of the electrologist is treating the same hair in 2 or 3 appointments. It will tripe and doublée the cost of your treatment and you will be hair free in let's say 72 months.

People are free to "believe" an electrologist only because he is a "professional." But if it was the case and very random electrologist could provide a decent work, we wouldn't have read all those bad story of unhappy customers on hairtell.

Final word of the story, do a 4 inch square PATCH TEST on an untouched area of your body,(no waxing, no shaving for more than 5 months.) to test the ability of the practionner to properly kill hair. Note that you will have to wait 3 months to judge if there is a permanent reduction.

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#125473 - 12/18/17 10:56 PM Re: After first clearance? [Re: Jhair]
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Permanent Hair Removal is a team effort between practitioner and client. Sometimes it also requires a team that includes a doctor and a nutritionist.

There are many variables that come in to play when it comes to what is possible with a hair removal project. Practitioner skill and chosen method is one thing, and client scheduling is very important as well. The amount of hair and hair growth cycles also make one job very different from another. Some factors can also be deceiving.

Many people THINK that they did not get good hair removal treatment, when in fact they did not stick with it long enough to give it a fair shot. Others are following a schedule and or program/method that won't give them a steady visible progress fast enough for their taste. Many people THINK "all the hair grew back" 4 to 6 weeks later, when that is in fact just the next phase of hair growth. No one would take a before picture, do the treatment, take an after picture, and then wait a year to take another after picture to compare in order to "test electrolysis efficacy" yet that would be what would be needed to really see the effectiveness of one treatment in truth.

A little story to illustrate.
There once was a client who had a unibrow that was as bushy as privacy hedges. The treatments were done in such a way as to fully clear out the unwanted hairs and shape the brows as opposed to the gradual reduction technique that many (most?) would employ in this area. Although the first and second clearances came with angry red and swollen skin, the client was happy with the initial results.

A life changing event had the client move unexpectedly to another state, and in the new home did not find anyone who impressed the client enough to continue the work that had been started. So, the project was shelved.

As the fall came, the once movie star shaped brown became unkempt and by the dead of winter were once again a unibrow. The client was dejected thinking about the money "wasted" and felt as if there was no hope for the future, until the rays of spring started to come. As the anniversary date of the work approached, the bushy unibrow began to thin, subside, and finally, opened like a curtain. The movie star brows were back! They stayed that way all spring and summer, every year with certainty, just as the winter bushy unibrow came again during the untreated growth cycles.

The client called the practitioner to tell the story and to say that since the winters were spent with a hat on all the time, it did not matter about the unibrow during those months, since the prime time spring and summer were secure from that pesky unwanted hair.

And the client lived happily ever after.
(Yes, this is a true story)

Your prescription above to judge a patch test 3 months later would show variable results based on how the treatments were done, and what body part the test was done. While one might see some varying degree of reduction or not, it won't be the same as the view of that patch 365 days later.

Since most people don't want to make an 18 to 24 month process become a 36 month process, they generally are best served by choosing someone they trust and giving that person at least 12 months to show some results. If one's practitioner does full clearances in 6 weeks or less, it will be about the same as getting the entire area cleared out in one day or three as long as one sticks to the schedule. If the practitioner follows the skip around method, one won't really have a way to judge reduction for a good long time - especially if one is only getting one hour every 3 weeks.
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