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#83349 - 02/23/11 10:34 PM IPL works, and at home
deadfollicle Offline
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New to the forum and wanted to let all know the wonderful success I have experienced with my new IPL toy. I cautiously and hesitantly purchased a IPL600 and it works. I had a budget and this fit into it and figured with some past IPL experiences and other hair removal expenditures I would give it a shot. I have always despised body hair and while waxing and after waxing I still had to live with the pain and that rrrrr feeling. After using this IPL600 unit just once the results and hair density and thickness are reduced immeasurably. I have treated my entire body (I do mean entire) all but my hair on my head and eyebrows. I have had IPL done on the face (beard) a few years ago at a expensive professional establishment with great results and was amazed with the results and this technology. However the cost was as much as this unit is just for one year of traetment, I had to make appointments, and forget about affording the whole body.

My expectations of this unit were cautious optimism BUT I honestly can tell you at this moment it works. I am a patient, determined individual and as far as me taking the time to zap portions of areas a couple hours a day is nothing for me. I would say on setting 3 which is 3 pulses (you don't need anymore than 5) I completed full legs, full arms, chest, torso, behind, face, and privates in around 6 hours moving carefully on setting 3. In my own private home with no wax I patiently worked and before I knew it I was done. Ever try waxing privates and behind by yourself? I have, WOW! Call it a fetish, call it hate of hair I don't care and I don't want it and don't need it. I am a Type III skin type with black hair so I am a great candidate and I understand the process going in with reasonable expectations of clearing of areas. My only question was could this unit actually work? YES. Let me tell you that it was the difference in FEELING of the skin and hair growth below the skin I cannot put into words. I mean the follicles felt and feel dead. I also experienced NO capillary bruising or burns at all. For 800.00 buy one and zap away, I swear it works. BTW I don't even benefit from the anti-andrgenic female hormones as women do, being male, so I can only imagine how this works on females. Do the math and calculate pulses for lamps of som other less expensive models and you will find this unit cannot be beat. Will I get 1 million pulses out of a bulb? probably not but will use 1 million pulses? hope not. Also at about 30 jules per pulse and a perfect nm range the unit is great for hair removal.

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#83354 - 02/23/11 11:32 PM Re: IPL works, and at home [Re: deadfollicle]
edokid
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So you signed up on this forum today just to post how happy you are with a home laser device? And you have no ties to the device? The fact you said you got results from 1 session pretty much prove you probably work for the company that makes this. Even the best professional laser like GentleLASE isn't going to give results after 1 session.

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#83358 - 02/24/11 12:13 AM Re: IPL works, and at home [Re: ]
deadfollicle Offline
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I resent that accusation. I am trying to "inform" folks in here of a cost effective way to remove hair of which hair removal I take very seriously. I am just a regular everyday person and NOT affiliated with this company. I originally did not register at hairtell but I have kept an eye on this site and was actually using it before I bought this unit but only found one post on this IPL unit so I thought it was a good idea to share the risk I took in buying it to help others out. Yeah genius, RISK. Meaning I went in blindly with not much info other manufacturer claims and we all know how those can turn out. I have other hobbies (hair removal has become sort of a hobbie)and are a member of other forums and are a person of integrity. I HAVE RESULTS FROM ONE TREATMENT. Who are you to question? People like you in a forum are actually the reason I sign up and if the forum is worth it and does a service to others I WILL SUPPORT MONETARILY. Again everything I described was truthful and for 800.00 I feel very confident I will have continued success. Maybe I should have also stated I will update following treatments BUT in the meantime I was excited and wanted to make anyone else out there aware.

Hate to stoop to your level but I bet your a salon owner or peddle your IPL or laser unit and find my post a threat in some way. Well, hey sorry but us average folks who want total body hair removal can only afford so much and the salon prices are nuts so who needs it when a person can go this route and in the privacy of their own home. Think before you open your mouth.

Also my first IPL type experience a few years back I to went to HTGT in the Illinois area and got results to my beard from one treatment so you don't know what your talking about. Did It clear the area permanently with one treatment? No, duh but it was the beginning of "progressively permanent hair removal". Either way anything is better than endless waxing or shaving, or electrolysis

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#83362 - 02/24/11 12:38 AM Re: IPL works, and at home [Re: deadfollicle]
edokid
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Oh how funny your post is!!! If you actually think you got results from one treatment then you're a moron and know nothing about hair removal. It's physically impossible to get results from 1 treatment even with electrolysis. IF you knew anything about hair removal you would know that hair grows in cycles, so it's not possible to get results from just one treatment.

It's also impossible to tell your results from one session as well because even if the hair sheds it does not mean it's permanent, any device can make hair shed but it doesn't mean it's powerful enough to kill it. No home device is powerful enough for permanent results, it wouldn't be allowed by the FDA.

I am not a salon owner, I'm a consumer with a LOT of money and time invested in my treatments, if you read any of my posts you would see that. I'm an educated consumer that knows what I'm talking about, I'm not just some random person that joins this sign and starts pushing a machine from China on unsuspecting people just to sell it.

IPL is not as good as laser, and should never be used on the face. How can you say you got results from 1 treatment on your beard? What did you use to judge this effectiveness? The only way to judge anything is to have a treatment, and then wait 6 months to see if any hair grows back. There's way too much hair especially on the face to have any noticeable results from 1 treatment.

If this machine works then that's fabulous since who wouldn't want a home hair removal system that works. It's the fact you're telling people it works based on one treatment that is the misleading part. There's no hair removal technology in the world that can give results from just one treatment let alone an IPL that you use at home.

Lastly, the company's claims are totally false if you watch the videos on their site. First they say their device is used by professionals in clinics around the world, ummm sure. Secondly they say it's BETTER than laser because it uses all light spectrums and not just one like laser. That's the whole reason why IPL is WORSE than laser because it's not specific. I quote "Laser is a single color of light, which means all the rays are the same wavelength. Intense Pulsed Light is broad spectrum light, made up of a range of wavelengths and colors. This range means one can treat more hair types effectively, with more consistent results". Next it says you can also use it for tattoo removal!?? Lastly, it comes with carbon dye which they say dyes blond hairs so it can be removed which has already been proven to be ineffective.

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#83382 - 02/24/11 05:33 PM Re: IPL works, and at home [Re: ]
deadfollicle Offline
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Reading comprehension is a real problem for you. Did I ever say permanent clearing of a treated area and did ever say my expectations were as ridiculous and unrealistic as yours are. My goal is slow and steady and methodical with a tight budget knuckle head. Anything is better than waxing, anything, in my opinion especially when I have to do myself. My thought process is based on "progressively permanenet hair removal" and yes I see and feel results from one treatment. If you read my post I also mention the expensive 'Hair Today Gone Tommorrow' sessions I had for treatment on my beard years ago with great results. Was it "permanent"? NO, and I knew it going in. Was my beard and facial hair growth permanently altered and reduced? you better believe it, even on the lip and chin. I cannot grow a full beard and I stiil shave maybe twice a week. No evening shadows, folliclitus acne like I had. Pay attention now! HTGT uses a "IPL" unit on the face and they are staffed with so called trained professional technicians! WOW I am so impressed. FDA approved? This goverment? Are you kidding me. Can you measure the techinal specs of the instruments being used on you while your getting raped at your "professional treatments". Sounds like to me your jealous because you have married yourself emotionally and financially to people (alleged proffessionals techs) that are dedicated to making a living off of you. These folks have shared their knowledge with you of hair removal and your now their committed willing slave. You worship at that alter, not me. I am not anyones cabana boy or payday. Beleive me I respect private free enterprise and a person making a living going out to lease an expensive top notch laser/IPL unit and a suite space to then make a profit, great, but realize your paying for that overhead and maybe getting your alleged permanent results but for me I am content with private slow and steady independent methods to eventually reduce and hopefully clear my body of unwanted hair. Call me a cowboy, desperate, foolish but from my research the IPL energy and technical specs of this IPL 600 unit will give me the results I am looking for especially with my type 3 skin type. I beleive there is many individuals out there would risk (as I said in OP) and put themselves out there for this unit considering the reward. I did already take a risk and simply wanted to let everyone know about it in comparison to greatly under powered home units that may seem initially cheaper at 400.00 but with expensive lamp replacements that may last 500 pulses if lucky. Again like I said will my lamp last the claimed 1 million pulses probably not but if it lasts 10,000 pulses I am still ahead and without a doubt, using your energy measuring methods, I have delivered must more energy per treatment to the foollicle.

Also please do not underestimate being male and being cursed with high levels of testosterone and androgens that have stimulated our follicles since puberty (if you ever had one) and though it varies person to person we have hair more so than the normal females. I have been blessed without hair on my shoulders and back and actually not much on my behind either. But my legs arms hands feet face chest are male pattern dark hair. Waxing has been a nightmare and the mess was insane. Shaving is generally easy but foolish on privates or upper thighs and chests with all the irritation.

You can't win the arguement because it is apples and oranges comparison. You goal in the expensive grail of unrealistic permanent quick results you have packaged and sold, mine is the affordable relistic progressively permanent removal and altering of my hair growth. Sadly in the end you will end up where I am already at as you watch you hair grow back even with your treatments and though permanently altered and forever changed you will still grow hair on your body and have spent a fortune. Your Technician God's will have betrayed you and I will laugh and say " HA HA, I told you so"!

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#83383 - 02/24/11 05:53 PM Re: IPL works, and at home [Re: ]
deadfollicle Offline
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Just to make it clear I had five (5)treatments to my beard/face over a 6 month span at HTGT. Just wanted to clear up any confusion you may have because you are at times easily confused. Also I did want to say that you without a doubt have great knowledge of hair removal and despite being Canadian are probably a decent, honest and intelligent person. But come on what the hell isn't made in China anymore? Not that it makes it right.

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#83385 - 02/24/11 06:38 PM Re: IPL works, and at home [Re: deadfollicle]
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There is no need for namecalling on this forum, especially if you call yourself a "decent, honest and intelligent person".

I don't really understand your reference to "progressively permanent hair removal". If the parameters on the machine are not able to heat up the hair enough to disable them permanently, it doesn't matter how many times you apply it to your skin. Trying to cut with a dull knife over and over again is not going to magically cut after a certain number of tries.

Settings and parameters can be high enough to induce shedding, but not heat up the hair enough to disable it permanently. You really need to wait at least 6-12 months after your very last treatment and see what happens.

Hair grows in cycles, so you only affected at most 30% of all the hair you have with just one treatment. You'll need to have at least 4 before you stop, wait and see what happens.

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#83388 - 02/24/11 07:15 PM Re: IPL works, and at home [Re: LAgirl]
edokid
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Thanks LAGirl finally someone else chiming in on this. To answer the above poster, I'm not brainwashed by technicians in any way shape or form. Half the time I know more about hair removal than they do. I'm not trying to sound full of myself, the fact of the matter is that it's really not that hard of a concept if you just do some research on it. It's all about using high enough settings to permanently kill the hair follicle so that it can never grow back. Many clinics don't want to burn people or have lawsuits so they use low settings, or they use low settings so people have to keep coming back. It blows my mind how many times you'll go to a new clinic that will use one type of laser, and you'll mention GentleLASE or LightSheer etc and they have NEVER heard of it before. How can you work in this industry and not know the different types of laser?The home hair removal devices do not provide enough energy to kill the hair permanently.

You can say what you want but the problem with your statements is that this isn't permanent and that hair will come back. That is completely untrue, that would only happen with weak treatments, which you get from IPL whether at home or in a salon. This is the reason we tell people to avoid IPL as it's not permanent. Being treated with a permanent laser or electrolysis is permanent. You may get hair back but this is your body developing new hair it's not the hair that was removed coming back.

I'm hardly jealous, I don't know what I've paid total for treatment but it's not a lot, my clinic is very reasonable. You can't honestly compare a tiny little unit from eBay with a professional laser that's 50 times bigger and actually expect the same results. You sound like you have buyers remorse on spending so much on this unit. Either way I'm done arguing with you, you can say what you want but I have a bit more creditability on here than you do, just signing up and having your first message boasting about a home IPL you bought online.

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#83586 - 02/28/11 01:01 AM Re: IPL works, and at home [Re: ]
deadfollicle Offline
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Registered: 02/23/11
Posts: 13
Originally Posted By: edokid
Oh how funny your post is!!! If you actually think you got results from one treatment then you're a moron and know nothing about hair removal. It's physically impossible to get results from 1 treatment even with electrolysis. IF you knew anything about hair removal you would know that hair grows in cycles, so it's not possible to get results from just one treatment.

It's also impossible to tell your results from one session as well because even if the hair sheds it does not mean it's permanent, any device can make hair shed but it doesn't mean it's powerful enough to kill it. No home device is powerful enough for permanent results, it wouldn't be allowed by the FDA.

I am not a salon owner, I'm a consumer with a LOT of money and time invested in my treatments, if you read any of my posts you would see that. I'm an educated consumer that knows what I'm talking about, I'm not just some random person that joins this sign and starts pushing a machine from China on unsuspecting people just to sell it.

IPL is not as good as laser, and should never be used on the face. How can you say you got results from 1 treatment on your beard? What did you use to judge this effectiveness? The only way to judge anything is to have a treatment, and then wait 6 months to see if any hair grows back. There's way too much hair especially on the face to have any noticeable results from 1 treatment.

If this machine works then that's fabulous since who wouldn't want a home hair removal system that works. It's the fact you're telling people it works based on one treatment that is the misleading part. There's no hair removal technology in the world that can give results from just one treatment let alone an IPL that you use at home.

Lastly, the company's claims are totally false if you watch the videos on their site. First they say their device is used by professionals in clinics around the world, ummm sure. Secondly they say it's BETTER than laser because it uses all light spectrums and not just one like laser. That's the whole reason why IPL is WORSE than laser because it's not specific. I quote "Laser is a single color of light, which means all the rays are the same wavelength. Intense Pulsed Light is broad spectrum light, made up of a range of wavelengths and colors. This range means one can treat more hair types effectively, with more consistent results". Next it says you can also use it for tattoo removal!?? Lastly, it comes with carbon dye which they say dyes blond hairs so it can be removed which has already been proven to be ineffective.



LA Girl read this reply quote and direct you ire at the person calling names here. Correct me from wrong, but does it not take treatment after treatment of "professional" sessions at a salon to allegedly clear an area (along with so-called touch ups)of which we all know never trult clears an area anyway. Laser or IPL may or may not be "permanent" hair removal and I doubt this holy grail can be achieved. I guess a person has to spend $12,000.00 at a salon to find this out though, but hey at least someone made money. Progressively permanent hair removal is actually what is sold to a client that comes to your salon because your teatments take time and several of them over years to clear an area. If you do not market that way than I would say you have to check yourself. There is several at home units sold that work so don't look now but folks will wise up and realize.

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#83589 - 02/28/11 01:57 AM Re: IPL works, and at home [Re: deadfollicle]
edokid
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You are very ill informed, many people on here including myself and LAGirl have got permanent results. Laser is permanent so I'm not sure why you keep on about it not being permanent and being progressive. You sound like something that's had a poor experience and now is against laser. Yes it takes treatment after treatment to get full results, but we're talking 6-8 not treatments forever. You shouldn't even need touchups unless your technician misses spots. Not sure where you get $12k from either. The clinic I go to is $60 for underarms, and I have a group buy package of 6 full legs sessions for $1000. If you're paying $12k then you're being ripped off hardcore. I'm just confused though because who here has ever said that it's not a progressive treatment that takes years??

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