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#84818 - 03/20/11 04:33 PM Re: Change in body odor? [Re: BRR]
candela Offline
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I certainly do not do that, but yes, there are people that do.

Originally Posted By: BRR
I've seen on some forums, there are people who get on and make comments for what the only purpose of stirring the pot. Or, negative attention is better than no attention. In these cases, it is obvious as there isn't any kind of effort to understand other people.


Edited by James W. Walker VII (03/31/11 09:56 PM)
Edit Reason: This post was originaly submitted under an assumed screenname Belladoo20 when Candela was banned
_________________________
began electrolysis April 09 on chin, upper lip
cheeks May 09
toes and nipples July 09
feet Sept 09
eyebrows Oct 09 ENDED Nov 09
about 38.5 hours

(Electrologists keep censoring this to include the words "I believe"):
How electrologist Vera Weiler in SF disfigured my face
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/67599.html

How Dee Fahey and depilacionelectr tried to bully me into silence about it:
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/77148.html (thread to discuss electrologist malpractice)
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/77400.html

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#84820 - 03/20/11 04:46 PM Re: Change in body odor? [Re: stoppit&tidyup]
candela Offline
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Thanks for sharing your experience - it seems to be a common one. However, there are people that have had a negative effect for reasons that remain unknown. Women tend to shave - why hair removal would lead to an increase in odor and/or sweating is odd. But something that has obviously happened, as I do not believe they are lying, attention seeking or crazy. Just revealing something that happened to them, so that others would know. I am glad they did, as this has turned me off on desiring laser HR. I initially thought the use of the Nd: Yag would be like killing two birds in one stone, however, the hair removal technique is different.

As far as electrolysis via the thermolysis method, yes, it too uses only heat, but that is not the only method and the technique is different.

For some reason, electrolysis has a much better effect on bromhidrosis. You cannot claim the results are similar when there are varying techniques. Meaning, you cannot say, I have had mostly laser and nothing changed - electrolysis does not effect bromhidrosis either. You can also not claim laser and electrolysis are the same. They are unique methods of removing hair. This was my initial point, as I do know there are bromhidrosis sufferers who would find that distinction helpful.

Originally Posted By: stoppit&tidyup
I have had my underarms treated with an Nd:YAG laser. 6 treatments.

Followed up by electrolysis to remove the remaining hairs. The method of electrolysis has been thermolysis, so HEAT only, exactly the same process as Laser just a different method of producing the heat.

I have not noticed increased sweating or odour. Before LHR, I actually used Mitchum roll-on deodorant as I hated the sticky sweaty feeling and wet patches would take ages to dry. NOW I use a mild deodorant and if I sweat, my underarms dry very quickly. I find the odour of my underarms depends entirely on what I have been eating.


Edited by James W. Walker VII (03/31/11 09:56 PM)
Edit Reason: This post was originaly submitted under an assumed screenname Belladoo20 when Candela was banned
_________________________
began electrolysis April 09 on chin, upper lip
cheeks May 09
toes and nipples July 09
feet Sept 09
eyebrows Oct 09 ENDED Nov 09
about 38.5 hours

(Electrologists keep censoring this to include the words "I believe"):
How electrologist Vera Weiler in SF disfigured my face
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/67599.html

How Dee Fahey and depilacionelectr tried to bully me into silence about it:
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/77148.html (thread to discuss electrologist malpractice)
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/77400.html

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#84821 - 03/20/11 04:49 PM Re: Change in body odor? [Re: ]
candela Offline
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Registered: 03/08/09
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I have an extremely healthy diet, no smelly foods, vitamins and I exercise regularly. It's not that, I assure you. It does have an effect, yes, but not to the extent of being a cure.


Edited by James W. Walker VII (03/31/11 09:55 PM)
Edit Reason: This post was originaly submitted under an assumed screenname Belladoo20 when Candela was banned
_________________________
began electrolysis April 09 on chin, upper lip
cheeks May 09
toes and nipples July 09
feet Sept 09
eyebrows Oct 09 ENDED Nov 09
about 38.5 hours

(Electrologists keep censoring this to include the words "I believe"):
How electrologist Vera Weiler in SF disfigured my face
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/67599.html

How Dee Fahey and depilacionelectr tried to bully me into silence about it:
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/77148.html (thread to discuss electrologist malpractice)
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/77400.html

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#84822 - 03/20/11 05:13 PM Re: Change in body odor? [Re: ]
BRR Offline
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Belladoo, just out of curiousity, have you also experienced an increase in odor? Or, have you heard from others who believe they have experienced this due to LHR? I am asking so as to understand from where you are coming.

This phenomenon might be real to some people as they have said this. I wonder if it was something they had all along and just didn't notice it? I don't know, just wondering. Or, is there is something which happens physically as a result of laser penetrating the skin and somehow affecting sweat glands?

From what I understand you have been saying, an change in odor is probably uncommon but it has happened, right? Perhaps, if this is true, you are seeking an answer as to why.

You indicated you are turned off to LHR for this reason. Are you going to go for electrolysis in this case? Electrolysis is certainly a viable option. It is very effective and highly recommended.

As far as electrolysis via the thermolysis method, yes, it too uses only heat, but that is not the only method and the technique is different.

I think what is being said, the similarities between LHR and electrolysis is they both use heat to kill the hair. Obviously, one uses LASER and the other uses a probe. But in the end, the LASER heats the hair at the root and the probe also heats the hair at the root.

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#84824 - 03/20/11 06:20 PM Re: Change in body odor? [Re: BRR]
candela Offline
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No, I have bromhidrosis. I indicated this on my other thread, as I was in the process of trying to see which HR method would be best for my treatment. As I said before, I'm just basing the possible noted side effect of LHR on the previous comments (on this thread) and comments from other boards, as well as that study that was linked (on this thread).

What LAgirl is saying is what she said in another thread (my other thread), and that is that electrolysis and laser are the same because they both use heat to kill the hair follicle. Thus, (as implied) the result of electrolysis and laser are the same when it comes to how they affect the sweat glands, since they both use heat. However, when it comes to treating bromhidrosis, only electrolysis has been prescribed to treat it. What she hasn't said, but might be (vaguely) implying is that whether or not you use only heat, chemicals or both, the end result is the destruction of the hair follicle. Due to her success w/ laser and some electrolysis for finer hairs, she has killed the hair follicles and noticed absolutely no difference in sweat or odor (increase or decrease). She cannot make that claim about the exact effect electrolysis has on the sweat glands, as she has mainly had laser and several bromhidrosis sufferers and electrologists have stated otherwise. I don't know what makes them different, but I have not heard the same claims applied to laser HR.

And according to that brief study that was linked (on this thread), the patients had an increase in sweating. Thus, it was something that came after laser, not prior to it. At this point I'm not really trying to understand why. This is because the Nd: Yag laser has been used to treat apocrine bromhidrosis, which is what I'd like to treat. If LHR with it causes a possible increase in odor or sweat - it's not the same method used to treat brom, which is the only treatment I'm seeking at the point.

Originally Posted By: BRR

Belladoo, just out of curiousity, have you also experienced an increase in odor? Or, have you heard from others who believe they have experienced this due to LHR? I am asking so as to understand from where you are coming.

This phenomenon might be real to some people as they have said this. I wonder if it was something they had all along and just didn't notice it? I don't know, just wondering. Or, is there is something which happens physically as a result of laser penetrating the skin and somehow affecting sweat glands?

From what I understand you have been saying, an change in odor is probably uncommon but it has happened, right? Perhaps, if this is true, you are seeking an answer as to why.

You indicated you are turned off to LHR for this reason. Are you going to go for electrolysis in this case? Electrolysis is certainly a viable option. It is very effective and highly recommended.

As far as electrolysis via the thermolysis method, yes, it too uses only heat, but that is not the only method and the technique is different.

I think what is being said, the similarities between LHR and electrolysis is they both use heat to kill the hair. Obviously, one uses LASER and the other uses a probe. But in the end, the LASER heats the hair at the root and the probe also heats the hair at the root.



Edited by James W. Walker VII (03/31/11 09:55 PM)
Edit Reason: This post was originaly submitted under an assumed screenname Belladoo20 when Candela was banned
_________________________
began electrolysis April 09 on chin, upper lip
cheeks May 09
toes and nipples July 09
feet Sept 09
eyebrows Oct 09 ENDED Nov 09
about 38.5 hours

(Electrologists keep censoring this to include the words "I believe"):
How electrologist Vera Weiler in SF disfigured my face
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/67599.html

How Dee Fahey and depilacionelectr tried to bully me into silence about it:
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/77148.html (thread to discuss electrologist malpractice)
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/77400.html

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#84837 - 03/20/11 09:57 PM Re: Change in body odor? [Re: ]
LAgirl Offline

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Registered: 12/22/04
Posts: 9994
Loc: New York, NY
No, what I asked you is HOW electrolysis cures your condition. How exactly does it impact the follicle to cure it? That's the question you are not answering.

If the condition is not cured by simply removing the hair for good, you're suggesting electrolysis does something else to the follicle that laser doesn't, which in turns cures the condition. I'm asking what that something is.

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#84850 - 03/21/11 02:28 AM Re: Change in body odor? [Re: LAgirl]
candela Offline
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Registered: 03/08/09
Posts: 265
I quoted you correctly - as have others in your defense, so don't lie.

It's not a matter of why or how. Those are simply people's experiences, perhaps science can prove it later, if it hasn't already.

Again, stop pestering me and do some research. I'm not here to argue with you. For you, it's not a matter of desiring the answers, but obviously a matter of proving something (else) - regardless of the means (i.e. using dishonesty or misleading people). Full disclosure means little to you, it seems.

Your experience was (very) different - fine. You had mostly laser, move on.

Originally Posted By: LAgirl
No, what I asked you is HOW electrolysis cures your condition. How exactly does it impact the follicle to cure it? That's the question you are not answering.

If the condition is not cured by simply removing the hair for good, you're suggesting electrolysis does something else to the follicle that laser doesn't, which in turns cures the condition. I'm asking what that something is.


Edited by James W. Walker VII (03/31/11 09:54 PM)
Edit Reason: This post was originaly submitted under an assumed screenname Belladoo20 when Candela was banned
_________________________
began electrolysis April 09 on chin, upper lip
cheeks May 09
toes and nipples July 09
feet Sept 09
eyebrows Oct 09 ENDED Nov 09
about 38.5 hours

(Electrologists keep censoring this to include the words "I believe"):
How electrologist Vera Weiler in SF disfigured my face
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/67599.html

How Dee Fahey and depilacionelectr tried to bully me into silence about it:
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/77148.html (thread to discuss electrologist malpractice)
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/77400.html

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#84854 - 03/21/11 02:47 AM Re: Change in body odor? [Re: ]
LAgirl Offline

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Registered: 12/22/04
Posts: 9994
Loc: New York, NY
This discussion isn't about me. It's about science. You are arguing with experts on this forum who know how both methods work. There is a science behind both methods - it's not magic. If you think something has a chance of curing your condition, I'm amazed that you are not curious in the least in what way. And I'm not sure how you can dismiss other methods of hair removal that work in the same way if that's the case.

Now, you're finally providing an answer: you have no idea how electrolysis cures your condition. You simply read somewhere on some forum where a person claimed that it helped cure this condition.

So given your logic, it sounds like you dismiss laser as a cure for this condition simply because you haven't yet encountered a forum post where someone else claimed that laser did the same. You do realize thatjust because you haven't seen one, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist?

Anyway, this forum provides a supportive environment for those who actually want to learn and get results form their treatments. If you can't be civil, there is no reason for you to use it. Show some manners. You need to stop your attacks on the experts here who gracially provide answers to users' inquiries and help thousands of people. There is a reason a bunch of us have a certain status here. See the column to your right.

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#84855 - 03/21/11 02:53 AM Re: Change in body odor? [Re: LAgirl]
candela Offline
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Registered: 03/08/09
Posts: 265
Read it and that's the END:

http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads....html#Post78906

I don't desire your help. at all. I'm done talking to you.

Originally Posted By: LAgirl
This discussion isn't about me. It's about science. You are arguing with experts on this forum who know how both methods work. There is a science behind both methods - it's not magic. If you think something has a chance of curing your condition, I'm amazed that you are not curious in the least in what way. And I'm not sure how you can dismiss other methods of hair removal that work in the same way if that's the case.

Now, you're finally providing an answer: you have no idea how electrolysis cures your condition. You simply read somewhere on some forum where a person claimed that it helped cure this condition.

So given your logic, it sounds like you dismiss laser as a cure for this condition simply because you haven't yet encountered a forum post where someone else claimed that laser did the same. You do realize thatjust because you haven't seen one, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist?

Anyway, this forum provides a supportive environment for those who actually want to learn and get results form their treatments. If you can't be civil, there is no reason for you to use it. Show some manners. You need to stop your attacks on the experts here who gracially provide answers to users' inquiries and help thousands of people. There is a reason a bunch of us have a certain status here. See the column to your right.


Edited by James W. Walker VII (03/31/11 09:53 PM)
Edit Reason: This post was originaly submitted under an assumed screenname Belladoo20 when Candela was banned
_________________________
began electrolysis April 09 on chin, upper lip
cheeks May 09
toes and nipples July 09
feet Sept 09
eyebrows Oct 09 ENDED Nov 09
about 38.5 hours

(Electrologists keep censoring this to include the words "I believe"):
How electrologist Vera Weiler in SF disfigured my face
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/67599.html

How Dee Fahey and depilacionelectr tried to bully me into silence about it:
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/77148.html (thread to discuss electrologist malpractice)
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/posts/77400.html

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#84856 - 03/21/11 02:57 AM Re: Change in body odor? [Re: ]
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Registered: 12/22/04
Posts: 9994
Loc: New York, NY
If you don't want help from people on this forum, I'm sure you can find others where you can insult people. I'm not sure why you keep coming back with your immaturity.

There is nothing in that thread claiming that electrolysis cures your condition. In fact, most of the replies are from people you've already insulted here in your posts.

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