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#8989 - 01/04/04 04:46 PM Re: Regrowth charts *****
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After looking at the two tables, it occurs to me that the the ratio of the time a hair spends in anagen to the time a hair spends in telogen ought to be the same as the ratio of anagen hairs to telogen hairs at any one time.

In other words, if a hair spends one week in anagen and three weeks in telogen, the hairs in that area ought to be 25% anagen and 75% telogen.

The ratios shown don't match all that well.

I suppose the data came from different studies, so no surprise it's somewhat inconsistent.

- Eric

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#8990 - 08/04/05 10:01 PM Re: Regrowth charts
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I figure I may as well, add this to the sticky, since it is a part of this idea, and people keep asking about it.

Obviously, hairs grow from nothing to something in growth phase, stop growing, and begin the process of being pushed out by the body in shedding phase, and in resting phase, they are either gone because they have fallen out of the skin, or the hair is resting at the top of the skin's surface waiting for either something to make it fall out, or for the follicle to become active again, and a new hair to either push it out, or wedge it in the follicle further by squeezing past it.

The reason you might think you see nothing being gained in the early going is that you can't see what has been done for months, or a full year. Take before, during and after shots to really appreciate what is going on here.

Think of your skin as a Grid. Think of this Grid as being 10 x 10 spaces in square form. If left to their own devices, the follicles in the first row, (1 - 10) will present hairs in spaces 1, 3 and 9. These hairs will cycle, and as they get ready to fall out, hairs in spaces 2, 5 and 10 begin growing, and brake surface just as hairs 1, 3 and 9 fall out.

Now it looks to the naked eye as if nothing has happened, because one saw 3 hairs in that area, and there are still 3 hairs in that space.

If one removes the hairs in spaces 1, 3 and 9, one will be targeting spaces 2, 5 and 10 when they come out in 6 to 9 weeks, and later, hairs will present in 4, 6 and 8. It takes a full 9 months for all these hairs to present. By the way, space 7 never grows hair in this example.

One should never have to treat a follicle more than 2 times. Three times is the most I can see, unless the practitioner is very bad or the client doesn't show up on schedule. If the client is the problem, the practitioner might never actually get to treat that hair while it is in growth phase, if ever at all. (If you never come in during the months of November, December, and January, there are hairs that the practitioner will never, ever see, or treat, and you will always have those hairs in winter.)

So your skin Grid starts like this:
X = Hair and _ equals empty space

X_X_ _ _ _ _X_
_X_ _X_ _ _ _X
_ _ _X_X_X_ _
X_X_ _ _ _ _X
_X_ _X_ _ _ _X
_ _ _X_X_X_ _
X_X_ _ _ _ _X_
_X_ _X_ _ _ _X
_ _ _X_X_X_ _
X_X_ _ _ _ _X


Now, in 6 to 12 weeks, the Grid changes to this:

_X_ _X_ _ _ _X
X_X_ _ _ _ _X
_ _ X_X_X_ _ _
_X_ _X_ _ _ _X
X_X_ _ _ _ _X
_ _ _X_X_X_ _
_X_ _X_ _ _ _X
X_X_ _ _ _ _X
_ _ X_X_X_ _ _
_X_ _X_ _ _ _X

And it will change again in another 6 to 12 weeks. As you can see, there is the same number of hairs in the Grid, but their placing has changed.

In most cases, one's electrologist won't be clearing all these hairs the first time out, so one is chasing the Grid, looking to catch each hair as it comes out in growth phase, which gets easier to do as you clear hairs, because there are fewer left to present in the first place.

Does this help you understand how it is possible for the CLIENT to frustrate even the best electrologist by not coming in on schedule? Can you see why going long and frequent hours to start with costs you less in the long run, because you get more hairs in the growth phase, and have an easier time keeping up with the growing hairs as it comes in? Can you see how many people THINK their electrologist was failing them, when they just never really gave the practitioner a fair chance?
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#8991 - 10/03/06 02:40 PM Re: Regrowth charts
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I honestly think that you are seeing hairs that were not visible at the time that you did this procedure. This is why you need to do it a couple of times. Usually you shouldn't do it until 6 or 8 weeks after the first procedure though.

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#8992 - 11/12/06 11:13 AM Re: Regrowth charts
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Hi,

I'm a Electrologist from Germany and search for the book "Cosmetic and Medical Electrolysis and Temporary Hair Removal" from Richards, R. N.; Meharg, G. E., because I want the complete Richards/Meharg chart. But my bookseller tell me, that this book is out of stock and never will be published.

Can anybody help me or can give me a copy from the chart.
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#8993 - 11/12/06 08:00 PM Re: Regrowth charts
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The book is easily available here in the US and Canada. If you want the full text, you need only arrange to have it delivered to you from the US or Canada.
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#8994 - 11/13/06 07:50 AM Re: Regrowth charts
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Hi James,

did you have an adress (email, homepage) for me?
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#8995 - 11/13/06 01:41 PM Re: Regrowth charts
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TES@whiteserv.com is the email address for Texas Electrolysis Supply. I am sure that Dr. Heimlich and the crew can get you a copy over there. I can't say what the total cost will be due to customes and international shipping, but I am sure they can get it to you. They said they had the book in it's current form (If you ever see the original version on Ebay, grab it! More pages, more information)
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#8996 - 11/14/06 07:38 AM Re: Regrowth charts
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Thanks for your helpfully information.

Did you stay next year at the AEA Convention at San Francisco? Then we maybe will meet us. I'm glad.
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#8997 - 11/14/06 12:55 PM Re: Regrowth charts
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At the moment, I plan on being in San Fransico for the AEA Event, even if I don't bother with the classes, (Depends on the program they put together) I do go to these things to meet friends old and new.

I hope to see you there. I love SF! It is on my short list of places I actually would consider relocating myself.
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#39069 - 02/07/07 05:38 AM Re: Regrowth charts [Re: RJC2001]
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 Originally Posted By: RJC2001
Thanks for the info. Andrea. That explains why I have more hair left on my upper arms than on my chest and back. At any given time a lower percentage of arm hair (only about 20%) is in the anagen stage. I would suppose that laser treatments though may alter those percentages. One of the links you provided on the hairfacts had an artilce that explained how laser may force some hairs into an earlier telogen stage and that eventually more hairs will be in the growth stage at the same time. In effect the growth stages could be more synchronized.

Could you provide the URL for the Richards article on growth stages?

Thanks
RJC2001


Were they talking about upper arm hair when they said "arms"? I can tell you, that 70% of my hairs on my upper arms are anagen hairs according to my electrolysists and from what I see when there is a black bulb pulled out on the end.
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