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#66896 - 10/23/09 04:33 AM Re: Regrowth charts ***** [Re: C O'Connell]
Jacksandmarbles Offline
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I had too much hair removed from my hairline by an electrologist and I had to use rogaine on my hairline. That was 5% rogaine. I did not develop a problem with facial hair growth but I also did not get much hair growth in my hairline. Just peach fuzz. I guess it depends on the person. You can do a proper search on using rogaine on eyebrows and then you will see that there are many women who are doing this. Her dermatologist suggested it because of her sparse brows. Sice this was a thread about hair growth I was just wondering what percentage of eyebrow hair are in resting/ telogen phase at any given time.
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#66899 - 10/23/09 01:13 PM Re: Regrowth charts [Re: ]
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This is one of those places where I get to say medical schools just are not doing their jobs, if the job is educating doctors to help you stay healthy. Loss of eyebrow hair, especially from the outer eye area inwards is a sign of thyroid problems, or endocrine system disfunction. The first thing that should have been done (assuming the eyebrow loss was not from overplucking the area) is to check for those problems, and tell the person how to help heal the thyroid and endocrine system.

As, for your growth question, 90% telogen, 10% anagen.
See http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/8979/all/Regrowth_charts.html
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#66907 - 10/23/09 06:19 PM Re: Regrowth charts [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Thanks for answering my question. I have already read that thread and that is why I am commenting on it. I assume that the 90% in telogen phase means that it is hair that has already shed and therefore not currently seen on the surface of the skin?

I did state that it was due to overplucking the eyebrow. She does not have thyroid problems. I was not with her at the office visit so I do not know what what tests were ran. I am currently a medical student, and no offense to you James but I think you need to have actually been at the doctors visit and have all the information before you make statements like "medical schools just are not doing their jobs." I'm sure you would be equally as annoyed if I made statements like "electrolysis doesn't work and it leaves scars on your skin." There are good and bad doctors just like there are good and bad electrologists.

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#66909 - 10/23/09 07:21 PM Re: Regrowth charts [Re: ]
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Actually, most doctors when asked do say something like, "Electrolysis doesn't work and it leaves scars on your skin."
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#66910 - 10/23/09 08:24 PM Re: Regrowth charts [Re: ]
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The telogen hairs are in the process of shedding, but are still in the follicle and are visible on the skin's surface. If there is no hair in the follicle, it is in the "exogen" state of being empty and not yet in early anagen to start the process to regrow a hair.
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#66914 - 10/23/09 11:45 PM Re: Regrowth charts [Re: James W. Walker VII]
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Originally Posted By: James W. Walker VII, CPE
Actually, most doctors when asked do say something like, "Electrolysis doesn't work and it leaves scars on your skin."


Some don't even know what electrolysis is. The ones who say it doesn't work and leaves scars, probably have had feedback from some of their patients who had visited a below standards electrologist and the words were well earned. Some clients may have reported they were scarred when in fact, they had short-lived temporary side effects that cleared way before they saw the doctor much later for some other problem. Temporary skin manifestations are frequently mistakenly reported as scarring when it is in fact just normal healing. Doctors are mislead by patients because electrologists don't educate the patient thoroughly about normal skin reaction, thus doctors end up not knowing what they should. If they have a Fraxel laser, then it's all the more reason to make some money off the patient to fix the electrolysis "scarring" when in fact, it most likely would have resolved on its own anyway. Whew.
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#66915 - 10/24/09 04:29 AM Re: Regrowth charts [Re: dfahey]
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Thanks Vickie!!!
That was the information I was looking for.

In response to James comment:
"Actually, most doctors when asked do say something like, "Electrolysis doesn't work and it leaves scars on your skin."

That is simply not true and you must not know that many doctors to be making such bold and irrational statements.


In response to dfahey's comment:
I agree with what you are saying about patient feedback. A doctor is usually not also an electrologist so of course there are things that they may not know about electrolysis, just like electrologists aren't doctors and would not know how to properly diagnose patients. I do, however; disagree with electrolysis not causing scarring. I went to a very bad electrologist who not only removed way too much hair from my hairline but left scars on my forehead. It's been two years and I still have hyper-pigmentation and pitting on my forehead and I have been taking very good care of my skin. This is not something that is going to go away on it's own. I have now found a very good electrologist so I know that they are definitely out there. So I guess the real question is, why are there so many licensed electrologist who are "below standards"?

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#66917 - 10/24/09 05:37 AM Re: Regrowth charts [Re: ]
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I HATE TO SHAKE UP YOUR WORLD, however, there are a number of subjects that require specialized schooling, state examinations followed with licensing that mandates continuous schooling to proove you maintained your education so that your license will remain valid and you should be up to date with the latest information to deliver the best care to your patients. Most lawyers did NOT pass the bar exam the first time. A significant number did not pass it the second time. To day there are more students in law school than there are lawyers in practice in this country.

There is a similar situation in medicine. All doctors did not graduate at the top of their class. Somewhere in this world there is the ABSOLUTE WORST DOCTOR IN THE WORLD, however, his patients seem to love him because they measure him by his personality, charisma, expensive suits, office decor, and the number of patients waiting in the waiting room every time you visit there. If you knew he graduated from medical school at the bottom of the class you would never return but you have no way to measure his medical ability.

We are at a complete loss to know how to size up a doctor's ability and medical acumen, consequently, we use the only measures we have open to us which have absolutely nothing to do with medical skills. There are too many incompetent doctors, lawyers etc. but we are at their murcy. Good luck.

Electrolysis is covered by insurance if it is part of a medical diagnosis. For instance..... when a woman visits a doctor for an infertility problem and she also has too much hair in male locations (belly, back, extremities, face, etc) she does not know the hair is a symptom of her hormonal problem . Also it is unethical to treat only one symptom of a condition that has 8-10 symptoms. If the extra hair is there it must be treated unless the patient refuses this. No real doctor wants to spend al day removing hair. It is not as satisfying as saving a life. Nor is it as rewarding, financially. It is still unethical for him to withhold information from you. I can understand if he said to patients,"I do not know how to do it but it can be done successfully by an experienced electrologist. I have patients who have done it.In addition, since it is part of your medical problem I will write a letter to the insurance company for you to state it is medically necessary". THAT IS A REAL DOCTOR.

EVERY TIME YOUR DOC SENDS IN THE INSURANCE FORM TO GET PAID (THEY NEVER FORGET THIS). HE HAS TO LIST THE DIAGNOSIS with the medical code. This comes from a code book called the ICD9 code book. There is a number for every medical disorder and procedure. The diagnosis is Dx (----), the treatment prescribed is Rx (-----). All these are listed on your computer. The ICD9 is used all over the world. Blue Cross, Blue shield has their own code book with different numbers, however, all diseases are listed with the treatments. If there are more than one treatment it will be listed under the proper code. And this is how you get reimbursed.

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#66927 - 10/24/09 07:54 PM Re: Regrowth charts [Re: lefty2g , LE, CPE]
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Lefty,
I'm not quite sure whose world your shaking up. But thanks for the information as it was very informative. I'm not quite sure what your point is since we have already established that there are good and bad doctors. In the end of the day no one would work without getting paid.

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#79258 - 10/11/10 03:25 AM Re: Regrowth charts [Re: ]
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This is very true...there are good and bad doctors out there just like there are good and bad people in every profession. Doctors are no different.
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