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#99058 - 05/30/12 04:03 PM Re: Paradoxical Laser Hair Stimulation [Re: stoppit&tidyup]
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Well, laser people also believe in their method.

A quick research in MEDLINE shows several abstracts reaching back ovfer about 10 years. The content can be summarized as:

- no idea what's going on
- extremly rare condition
- can be cured by further treatmens
- no proof of the latter, not even attempts to explore that

Reminds me to "Vogel Strauß" - hide its head in the sand.

I also saw some victims of that, some of them with massive additional growth (possibly the underlying hormonal issues play their role?).
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#99061 - 05/30/12 05:30 PM Re: Paradoxical Laser Hair Stimulation [Re: beate_r]
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It seems like more laser would fix it since the hair is dark and "terminal", but who really knows what's going on? Haha.

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#102962 - 12/03/12 01:09 AM Re: Paradoxical Laser Hair Stimulation [Re: stoppit&tidyup]
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My son is experiencing this paradoxical hair stimulation after having laser hair removal on his back shoulders; Unfortunately now has more hair than before. Will electrolysis cover a large area such as back and shoulders? How long would it typically take? Any recommendations for someone in BayArea (Between SF and San Jose)?

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#102963 - 12/03/12 01:12 AM Re: Paradoxical Laser Hair Stimulation [Re: dfahey]
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I personally had successful laser treatments for underarms and bikini area but my son has had increased hair growth on back and upper shoulder. After the PA at the dermatologist office (same person who did my laser treatment) said he is experiencing this paradoxical hair growth issue, she even checked with various "experts" and tried various settings on the laser, to no avail.
Is electrolysis his only other option? How long for a large area (now VERY hairy) such as back? Will he experience better results?

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#102967 - 12/03/12 03:38 AM Re: Paradoxical Laser Hair Stimulation [Re: Crest]
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Crest, yes, electrolysis can help, but not every electrologist may enjoy doing large areas, so that limits his options. It takes quite a bit of effort and time to do a large back area and it is costly, but it does work as long as the electrologist punches those hairs. I tell my clients that they really have to want this and they have to stay on an ambitious schedule.

Submitting a picture would be great.

I never seem to get those men with back hair that only take 12 hours to clear. My guys take anywhere from 40 hr. - 125 hours just to clear. However, after that first, full clearance, it's all down hill.

Specifically, I like to use Synchro thermolysis with a large probe. That's my favorite, but I can make any modality work.

Yes, electrolysis is the only choice for your son now that laser has changed the hair structure and stimulated more hair to grow.
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#102992 - 12/03/12 05:00 PM Re: Paradoxical Laser Hair Stimulation [Re: dfahey]
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Please post on the electrolysis forum with photos. If the hair is not COARSE AND DENSE, then electrolysis is the only permanent option, no matter how long it takes. An average electrologist removes 5-10 hairs per minute. You need a clearance of all present hair once a month or so for about 12-18 months. So you can estimate timing that way.

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#103894 - 01/07/13 06:30 AM Re: Paradoxical Laser Hair Stimulation [Re: Crest]
odi Offline
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Originally Posted By: Crest
My son is experiencing this paradoxical hair stimulation after having laser hair removal on his back shoulders; Unfortunately now has more hair than before. Will electrolysis cover a large area such as back and shoulders? How long would it typically take? Any recommendations for someone in BayArea (Between SF and San Jose)?



You didn't mention how old your son is.

Guys continue to develop hair in that area until the late 20's so if he had some hair and was treated and ended up with more hair, it doesn't necessarily mean that the laser stimulated more hair, it could also mean that not all the hair grew before he started the treatment.
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#104367 - 01/31/13 07:03 AM Re: Paradoxical Laser Hair Stimulation [Re: odi]
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i can add here, i got a diode test (well, it was supposed to be a treatment, but i got outta there) for my chin with someone who had no idea what they were doing. (i want to say a few years ago or more). She did place it under the jaw, so at least she knew to be inconspicuous, right next to the jaw bone. I could feel it really just feeling way too hot and not right (oh yeah, something like a laser being burned into my skin!), she did at most 10(?) zaps of the laser when i thanked her and left, and i'm not sure how much later(a handful of months maybe i think when i noticed) i got coarse straight hairs growing right at the top of my neck where it meets the jaw, i have never had them before, can't remember how many, 10? 15? Started as a couple then i actually had to spend time plucking them, so no idea how many in the end, but not too many. I am olive medium brown, this was a few years ago. (i got rid of them with electrolysis recently).
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#105807 - 03/30/13 06:19 PM Re: Paradoxical Laser Hair Stimulation [Re: dfahey]
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I'm a new member and wrote a post the other day regarding electrolysis scars. But, I am also curious about laser stimulation as I believe it happened to me. I did LHR prior to electrolysis on my lip and chin. I had some dark, course hairs but not enough to cover the whole area. I know the first couple of treatments was done on a lower setting bc the nurse was afraid of hyperpigmentation( I was just getting over melasma from my 3 pregnancies). She did turn it up after once she knew my skin was ok. After going for about 10 months( 6 wks apart) she said electrolysis would be best to take care if the rest. At this time, I noticed that my peach fuzz type hairs seemed longer all over my face and some with more color? I have no idea if this was a post pregnancy/ hormonal thing or due to laser or bc I had never examined my face so closely?) Does anyone know if the new hairs are usually course, or just more in quantity? I feel like my lip did not get fuzzier, but my cheeks, jawline, chin and under chin did. I'm also 38 so I know woman do get fuzzier w/ age. I really wish I knew about laser stimulation prior to getting laser..... I need to figure out a way to stop beating myself up about it!!!

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#106696 - 05/10/13 02:32 AM Re: Paradoxical Laser Hair Stimulation [Re: Michk]
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There is no scientific basis for the claim that laser hair removal lasers stimulate new hair growth. This is completely contradictory to science, in fact. What may be happening, as some have mentioned, is a natural coincidence of the failure of a laser to remove hair, and naturally occurring new hair growth.

Laser hair removal is designed to destroy the hair follicle through targeted heating of the melanin in hair. The energy delivered is not literally hot- the wavelength of the laser is attracted to the melanin and heats it up. So if there is heat- there is a destructive reaction. There is never a constructive reaction from lasers.
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