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#104832 - 02/26/13 02:27 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: prettysure]
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Poster 'Portis' reports laser hair stimulation. Here us the link:

http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads....html#Post99374

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#104837 - 02/26/13 03:19 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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I think there needs to be section on this where people can/need to add their age. It's a little hard to discern how much hair growth is due to laser stimulation and how much is due to growing older/hormones changing/natural causes. Unfortunately, there's really not enough information here to conclude how much hair growth is due to the laser. For example, when people in their late teens seek LHR (I used to be one of them), can I safely blame the hair growth on the laser? I can't say that with confidence since my body is still producing hair. Or if someone sees an increase of a few hairs in a spot they didn't have before? I don't know if I would constitute <20 hairs as "induced growth." I do think it's good information to have on record, but I definitely think there needs to be more scientific studies on this phenomenon.

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#104838 - 02/26/13 03:23 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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Thanks. Good points. I just added Gender and Age to the guideline form in the first post on this thread. It looks like this:





Gender:

Age:

Date you started treatment:

Hair color:

Color of Skin:

Hair Structure:

Area(s) treated:

Name of LASER or IPL:

Treatment settings, if known:

Skin reaction:

Shedding?

Did you report increased hair growth to your laser specialist?

Before and After pictures?

Other comments.
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#105498 - 03/19/13 02:45 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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From a poster on 3-18-13:

#105489 - Today at 05:18 PM Laser Induced Growth on Upper Arms--PLEASE HELP
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I've been obsessively lurking on this website for quite some time now, but have never mustered up the courage to start a post. I have gotten both electrolysis and laser hair removal on a few parts of my face and body and have had good results. I'm an Italian female with dark hair and therefore have been blessed with some dark facial and body hair. When I was about 14 years old (I'm now 24) I got laser hair removal on my forearms. From what I remember I received six treatments and the results were incredible. It removed all but a few fine hairs from my forearms and gave me a newfound sense of confidence at the time. A couple of years ago I started to get very uncomfortable with the hair on my upper arms as well, which was more noticeable than most people's because it was brown, but it was extremely fine and really only noticeable to me. I became so obsessed with it that finally I decided to get laser hair removal on that hair too, aware that it might not actually remove that hair, but not realizing that it could actually INDUCE worse growth! I received three treatments with no issues at all, and then a couple months after the fourth treatment I noticed more hair was growing back and it was thick, dark, and long. The woman who does my laser hair removal (and also my electrolysis) is convinced that it is not laser induced hair growth because the hair on my forearms started to grow back in all of a sudden as well, almost 10 years after no growth. I have seen several doctors and have gotten several blood tests done (no I do not have PCOS even though I suffer from other common symptoms as well such as hair loss and acne). I am also a Registered Nurse so I do know how hormones can affect your body and it seems as if I am perfectly healthy. All I can come up with is that I came off of my birth control last February and it was after my May treatment that I noticed worse growth. I know it sounds like it wasn't actually the laser that caused the growth on my arms, but I truly feel that even if I do have something going on hormonally, my arms wouldn't have been affected by it if I had just accepted the fine hair on my arms and not tried to change my appearance with laser hair removal on that area. I have been so extremely depressed from this situation and I resorted to electrolysis last October, and then stopped in December after my electrologist recommended I just stick with laser on such a large area, which I refuse to do. I received a total of ten hours of electrolysis (I believe I received thermolysis with an Apilus) on my upper arms and I feel like it did absolutely nothing. There was still so much hair to be removed and then my electrologist convinced me it wouldn't be worth it to keep getting electrolysis on a large area like that. Since December I did nothing to the hair except be so incredibly uncomfortable and depressed over it, but I just haven't wanted to even deal with it. About two weeks ago I decided to wax it myself because I just couldn't bear to look at it anymore. I'm still uncomfortable even with the waxing though because the thick hairs growing back there look weird and stubbly. Basically I'm at a complete loss and I don't know what to do about it anymore. I think about it almost every second of every day. It has completely taken over my life and I'm so angry at myself for ever trying to remove the hair there in the first place. I'm not sure if I should find a new electrologist who can maybe give me quicker results or if I should just keep waxing it forever. I've already spent so much money on this area between the laser treatments and the electrolysis (my electrologist charges me $65 an hour, which I know is reasonable, but not if she's not doing a good job). I just need some feedback or suggestions as I feel completely hopeless. I would include pictures, but there's really not much to see since I waxed it a couple weeks ago. I will say though that I know the hair isn't terrible...it is sparse and I really can't even see it when I stand a foot away from the mirror, but up close some of the growth that is there is dark, thick, and long. I apologize for such a long post here, but I wanted to give as much information as possible in order to receive some helpful answers so I can just start living my life again. Thanks in advance for any replies.
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#105521 - 03/19/13 04:08 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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To be fair, I don't think the above case is related to laser induced growth. It sounds like coming off birth control probably had a lot to do with this. This is a major factor in hormonal growth, so it's hard to ignore it here.

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#105525 - 03/19/13 07:28 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: LAgirl]
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Stopping birth control pills caused long , dark hair to grow on her upper arms and forearms? These areas are not highly sensitive to hormones like facial hair, so I don't think anything is unfair here. What's unfair is, a laser clinic took this woman's money to treat fine dark hairs.
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#105540 - 03/20/13 01:00 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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They should have never treated fine hair, but it sounds like the first couple treatments didn't cause any adverse effects. I still feel you can't simply ignore a huge thing like stopping birth control.

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#105542 - 03/20/13 01:27 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: LAgirl]
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Millions of women stop using their birth control pills without developing hair growth!
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#105545 - 03/20/13 02:35 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: LAgirl]
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Originally Posted By: LAgirl
They should have never treated fine hair, but it sounds like the first couple treatments didn't cause any adverse effects. I still feel you can't simply ignore a huge thing like stopping birth control.


It wasn't ignored. It was hardly considered because the arms are not influenced by hormonal changes like the face can be. She was referring to her ARMS top and bottom.
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#105548 - 03/20/13 06:15 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Originally Posted By: dfahey
Originally Posted By: LAgirl
They should have never treated fine hair, but it sounds like the first couple treatments didn't cause any adverse effects. I still feel you can't simply ignore a huge thing like stopping birth control.


It wasn't ignored. It was hardly considered because the arms are not influenced by hormonal changes like the face can be. She was referring to her ARMS top and bottom.


Perhaps, but I have never heard of someone having induced growth on their forearms.

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