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#105552 - 03/20/13 12:20 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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Originally Posted By: Brenton

Perhaps, but I have never heard of someone having induced growth on their forearms.


Doesn't mean it isn't a possibility that it can happen to some people.
Here was my full response to the OP on March 18th. I think it struck a fair balance. See the red script.
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#105496 - Mon Mar 18 2013 10:41 PM Re: Laser Induced Growth on Upper Arms--PLEASE HELP [Re: Chichigirl13]
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I don't agree that electrolysis is not for large areas. Ten hours on the upper arms with thermolysis (machine brand doesn't assure speed and success) should have made a dent, but you say it did nothing. Ten hours over two months is not enough time.

I personally would like to see a picture or two of your upper arms with the hair grown out, in its natural state. Induced laser hair stimulation is a possibility on the upper arms of men, so why not women? I would say this could be so in your case? The upper arms are not hormonally dependent areas, so that's why laser stimulation make sense.

As for your forearms, it is a possibility that the laser stunned the hair and halted its growth long term and for some reason, ten years later, the hair started to reve up again. Just an educated guess and I admit that I can't say for sure what happened in your case. What you report is very important and many of us have noted your story. On the other hand, perhaps you are still developing your hair patterns and that is new hair.

If your hair is fine, it is good that you refused further laser treatment. Your only remedy is electrolysis. If you can shop around for an electrologist who is aggressive and resolved enough to do your arms with full confidence, then you will be fine. Large areas are not the domain of laser if the hair is too fine or too light. It can do nothing for you, so don't waste your time or money. A professional electrologist, with the passion and pride it takes to do a job well, will save you.


Edited by dfahey (03/20/13 01:09 PM)
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#105554 - 03/20/13 02:20 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Yes I remember reading that, but I do have strong doubts about having rebound growth (which is probably not a real phrase) from laser 10 years later. If I recall, the OP said she was treated when she was 14? That leaves a lot of time for hair to grow in. I'm just not convinced this was induced. It might have been, but I just want to express my reservations

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#105557 - 03/20/13 04:09 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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I expressed my reservations as well. Nonetheless, the OP reported her observations and stated what she thought. It is worth considering, but no one has has clicked the gavel to declare a definite judgement. We look at patterns and it is nice to have all comments about this subject in one place for others to peruse.
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#105558 - 03/20/13 04:33 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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I don't disagree. Please don't feel like I'm attacking you. I just don't want a bunch of people who read this forum to now not seek hair removal because of something that laser may/may not have done.

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#105561 - 03/20/13 04:39 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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I do not feel attacked in the least. We are having a very good discussion, I believe. Most of the people who read this are adults and can put it all together on their own and then decide for themselves. Nothing falsely unfair was said here.
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#105566 - 03/20/13 08:07 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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I just commented on the arm post and saw this thread. To sum up what I think (and wrote on other thread): Yes you can have laser stimulated hair pretty much anywhere hair follicles are.

Yes rebound laser hair is becoming more common since the earliest people treated in the mid/late nineties-early 2000's are seeing the hair return (I'm NOT talking about IPL's). Is this due to technology back then or is it due to the follicle repairing itself or due to "stunned" lasered hairs returning to normal???

Edit by Dee Fahey: I included what you wrote on the "arm post".

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"#105565 - Today at 03:34 PM Re: Laser Induced Growth on Upper Arms--PLEASE HELP [Re: dfahey]
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You can have laser induced pretty much anywhere. I know a laser tech who refuses to give up her laser treatments even tho I've seen the hair get worse on her face, neck and chest (collar bone, breast bone, breasts). The energy is NOT too low: the hair WAS too fine even tho its dark.

You may see the hairs on your upper arms continually get worse for up to 8 months maybe a yr due to the laser treated hairs coming back. Or you may see certain months the hairs worse/thicker throughout the yrs. This is most likely the laser treated hairs going through its hair cycles.

All is not lost tho, thanks to electrolysis. Just try to be patient since laser induced hair is trickier to treat due to the returning "laser hairs". Goodluck finding the right electrologist

PS. yes lasered hairs on your lower arms can definitely come back with or without a hormonal reason. 7-10 years seem to be a common timeline for lasered hair to return. Nobody truly knows how long lasered hair stays away?"
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#105579 - 03/21/13 01:47 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: CareBearhair]
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That is THE question. Thus, that is why we note with interest consumer comments and watch for patterns and common denominators.

CareBear, are you a hair removal specialist, meaning laser? IPL? or an electrologist?
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#106978 - 05/17/13 04:00 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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Another consumer complaint. Copied and pasted from another thread:



#106956 - 5-16-13 at 07:06 AM Re: ELECTROLYSIS SUCCESS STORIES! Add yours here. [Re: Tina Marie]
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Hi all,

I've finally registered on this site after scouring all posts relating to electrolysis/laser hair removal as a non member. This site has been such a massive help during my electrolysis journey and I'm now confident enough to share my experience.

Where to start, I am a 25 year old female of South East Asian descent. Fortunately for me I am actually not overly hairy however of course you are always your own worse critic. My sideburns bothered me a bit. They were longer than the usual (just a teeny fraction past my earlobes)and a work colleague had been getting IPL for pigmentation and suggested it as an option since I had mentioned it bothered me.

Anywho to try and cut this long story short, I had 4 sessions of IPL on my sideburns and upper lip. Initially my sideburns were shaved (standard practice) prior to the IPL. I had 4 weeks in between treatments and what I thought were results, was actually just the delayed growth due to the shaving on each visit. I personally don't think the IPL had any effect on the hair as there was no shedding in between. My savvy colleagues had then caught onto Laser hair removal and were getting bikini areas done to which rave reviews all round. I then switched from IPL to Laser. Boy was that a bad decision.

Of course according to the clinic, yes I was a perfect candidate and most definitely the laser would work . I am of medium skin colour and tan easily , the hairs on my face were black but very fine (cringing as I'm typing this - hindsight is always 20/20). I had 6 sessions in total, with a Candela Gentlelase - the settings i'm not quite sure of. Walking away after each session, I was happy with the "results" the surface hair had been removed. And after two weeks time I did experience the shedding of hair.

After my 5th treatment, during the break period I noticed that although my sideburns had been removed the fine downy hair that coated my cheeks were now no longer fine but dark, and alot thicker (correct term being terminal hairs). As well as hairs sprouting on my neck. In a panic, I called the owner of the clinic who reassured me this was not a problem and to see her on my next visit. At this stage, I then started to google keywords such as "laser stimulated hair growth" I came across so many other posts which made me really anxious about what was happening to me and also stumbled upon this website. On my visit I mentioned that could this possibly be the result of laser induced hypertrichosis? A terminology I picked up from my Google search.


The owner assured me, no definitely not. The hair growth was nothing out of the norm and she had seen worse, zapped the hair as per usual and told me if I had any worries or questions not to hesitate and contact her.

After the 6th session all was fine for up to 8 weeks, I then noticed I practically had grown a beard overnight! All the fine vellus hair that covered my cheeks and jawline had turned terminal. Sometimes during my laser sessions the technician would say Oh you've just got a dark hair here, i'll zap it for you. This would be in random spots on my neck. I noticed I now had a number of dark hairs around 7-8 on my neck. I KNOW for a fact, this was all laser stimulated hair. I had gone and caused myself a problem, when I practically didn't even have one to start off with. I gave up on returning back to laser, after all the research I did thereafter I knew I was one of the unfortunate's who managed to get laser induced hair growth. Suing is also not an option in New Zealand.

The worse part of it all was not only the visual of the hair that had grown (in a beardlike pattern - along the front of my cheeks), but the coarse sound when I rubbed my hand against my face. This absolutely shattered my self esteem and I kicked myself everyday for my stupid uninformed decision I had made.

I then came across Electrolysis as a form of hair removal, this time round I did extensive research. Such as post electrolysis effects, and does electrolysis stimulate hair growth ? I was so wary of the consequences of hair removal. I only came across positive reviews and reassuring posts.

5 months ago I started my electrolysis journey, the lady I have been going to has done such a fantastic job. I can't believe the results and am so wrapped I'm looking into doing a course in electrolysis myself to help others.

To those who may be sitting here reading this post, considering hair removal options (mainly laser) for yourself. Please please do your research, speak to those who have undergone treatments themselves. From what I've learnt, laser only works on COARSE dark hair, preferably on fair skin. And should really not be performed on females from the neck up because it is such a hormonal area. I am not a professional but am only speaking from my own experience. I would recommend electrolysis to all and I really wish that I had chosen it from the start.

Kind Regards
Mel
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#106988 - 05/17/13 03:29 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Seriously- idiotic practitioners need to STOP with the skin type IV+ GentleLase treatments! ESPECIALLY if they are not using AGGRESSIVE treatment with 755nm... that is, 18mm spot size, at least 20J/cm2, and a MINIMUM 50ms pulsewidth, with enough time between shots to allow the skin to rest!

What I don't understand- if her sideburns were to be removed, how did hair on her face and neck grow??? Did she have her face and neck treated? Was she tested for hirsutism, or hyperandrogenism?

She says she knows for a "FACT" the growth was stimulated by laser, so hopefully she did have all these tests done.
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#106997 - 05/17/13 11:02 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: CRC Biomedical]
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Originally Posted By: CRC Biomedical
Seriously- idiotic practitioners need to STOP with the skin type IV+ GentleLase treatments! ESPECIALLY if they are not using AGGRESSIVE treatment with 755nm... that is, 18mm spot size, at least 20J/cm2, and a MINIMUM 50ms pulsewidth, with enough time between shots to allow the skin to rest!


Yes! Exactly! How are laser practitioners educated? How long does it take? Who teaches the doctors and others to use the laser after they purchase it?

Originally Posted By: CRC Biomedical
What I don't understand- if her sideburns were to be removed, how did hair on her face and neck grow??? Did she have her face and neck treated? Was she tested for hirsutism, or hyperandrogenism?


For your first question / sentence: I know you don't like anecdotal hearsay, but I remember at least two clients of mine said they had IPL on their face, but a few months l
later they had sporadic thick hairs growing on their neck when the wand didn't even TOUCH the neck area! Could the heat have transferred to another location to wake up those hairs? By the way, they never had terminal hairs there before.

Originally Posted By: CRC Biomedical
She says she knows for a "FACT" the growth was stimulated by laser, so hopefully she did have all these tests done.


This is what we hear in many testimonials. Could there be that many coincidences that people have something else wrong but grow hair several weeks after light-based treatments?
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