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#107053 - 05/19/13 11:36 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: CRC Biomedical]
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It seems we are all in general agreement that laser can be an acceptable option for some consumers, and electrolysis can be an acceptable option for some consumers.

No method is perfect for everyone, and practitioner skill is important.

It also stands to reason that professionals who focus on one method over another have reasons for doing so, and may wish to defend their method against criticism.

I don't mind criticism backed up by facts, and I don't mind strong but polite disagreement, but we are treading a little close to being uncivil. I consider civility an aspect of professionalism, and I hope everyone will conduct themselves accordingly.

If anyone feels they are being personally attacked or that the sniping is getting too aggressive, please let me know and I will take appropriate action.

Everyone is welcome to share their experiences here. Picking fights is not going to end well for those who choose not to be civil.
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#107728 - 07/04/13 04:08 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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Another report of laser causing hair to wake up?

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So I posted in the laser forum that I had 4 treatments with the Lightsheer Duet on my back and shoulders and all the hair has grown back. Not only that, but the hair on my upper arms actually got thicker. Someone said I should try electrolysis but maybe I am a bad candidate, maybe I'll be wasting my time with electrolysis too? How do I know? I don't want to waste any more money."

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#107739 - 07/05/13 05:00 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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I had just written a few paragraphs but the power went out smirk

Attempt #2

Typically if there is an issue with the laser (burn, complaint) the clinic can call the laser manufacturer with ?'s. They usually recommend 2 things: getting the laser serviced and following the manufacturer's laser settings guidelines. They DO NOT accept any responsibility for any harm, lack of results or induced hair that comes to users and clients.

Burns are the # 1 issue due to lawsuits. Laser induced hair is not accepted or acknowledged as something real to them even tho I'm almost 100% positive they have had complaints or at least questions regarding it from laser owner/operators.

I wouldn't worry too much about all the denial of laser induced hair growth lasting for too much longer. Once someone sues for laser induced hair the research will be happening. It will be proven it exists. How can a lady get a single pulse for 1 coarse hair on her chin 7 times and her results are now 10+ coarse hairs in a 9mm patch. If this was hormonal, she would have hairy patches all over her face.

With laser burns once someone sued, others jumped on the bandwagon. In the early yrs of laser (mid 90's), clients mostly accepted that burns from a ruby laser was a part of the risk of being "hair free". That didn't last for long when people realized they could get $$$. This I'm sure, rapidly changed the amount of research for safety and improvements towards making lasers safe for darker skins= reduction of burn lawsuits and liabilities.

There will be people who will want compensation for leaving the laser clinic hairier than when they walked in.

Time will tell the truth.

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#108257 - 08/06/13 02:48 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: CareBearhair]
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Copied and pasted from another thread:

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#108225 - Sat Aug 03 2013 12:47 AM Re: Should I go back to Laser? [Re: samukas]
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I feel like I am in the same situation as you kinda. I went in for laser exactly a year ago and did treatments for full back and chest and stomach. I didn't think I needed it for my back because I had a lot of fine hair and some thick hair in certain areas which I called an electrolysis to take care of that but was turned away because she didn't do large areas anymore >:( but anyways I thought laser was great at first, I was having less hair each time and I was really satisfied with the results and after about 8 treatments in the back and about 10 in the front I didn't think I needed anymore. I was getting treatments about every month sometimes a month and a half with a machine called Apogee Elite laser. Well after the treatments I had about 10 times the amount of growth on back and on shoulders.Front I would say a little better chest maybe 10% better, stomach idk if I can tell a difference or not maybe a little better too I can't recall to be honest.

I am now looking into calling around to find an electrolysis for the front as far as the back I think I'm screwed there is too much hair now. I'm not sure what to do. For you I would say electrolysis at least you know that is permanent : /

How do you shave your back btw?

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#108385 - 08/14/13 04:53 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Registered: 07/31/13
Posts: 5
Gender: Female

Age: 27

Date you started treatment: 9/15/12

Hair color: Brown (dark brown)

Color of Skin: Olive, Caucasian Italian & Colombian

Hair Structure: Fine but Dark hair

Area(s) treated: Sideburns

Name of LASER or IPL : CandelaLASE

Treatment settings: Spot Size 18, wavelength 15, Pulse duration m/s 3, DCD 30/20

Skin reaction: Redness, small amount of swelling

Shedding? Yes

Did you report increased hair growth to your laser specialist? yes


When I began laser hair removal in NYC I was not correctly, or strongly advised that Laser works best on very coarse dark hair, such as pubic hair and NOT well on the very thin but DARK sideburn hairs. In the beginning I thought I had great resutls. By the 3rd and 4th session I was beginning to noitce WAY more hair per square inch appear in areas beyond treatment. For example, the laser was only administered close to my ear lobe and hair was stimulated going outward from the ear to the side of my cheek, and downward twords my lower jawline. After 8 sessions i quit, and let my hair grow in. I do not have PCOS. I know my body, I know my hair and LASER stimulated my hair growth. In my opinion, unless you have manly pubic hair on your face do NOT get laser on your face.


(I have had my lower back done with good results, and underarms down with amazing results from the same place, same technician.)


Edited by LeChatQuiChante (08/14/13 04:54 PM)

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#108392 - 08/15/13 05:08 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: LeChatQuiChante]
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Registered: 08/12/13
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Originally Posted By: LeChatQuiChante
Gender: Female

Age: 27

Date you started treatment: 9/15/12

Hair color: Brown (dark brown)

Color of Skin: Olive, Caucasian Italian & Colombian

Hair Structure: Fine but Dark hair

Area(s) treated: Sideburns

Name of LASER or IPL : CandelaLASE

Treatment settings: Spot Size 18, wavelength 15, Pulse duration m/s 3, DCD 30/20

Skin reaction: Redness, small amount of swelling

Shedding? Yes

Did you report increased hair growth to your laser specialist? yes


When I began laser hair removal in NYC I was not correctly, or strongly advised that Laser works best on very coarse dark hair, such as pubic hair and NOT well on the very thin but DARK sideburn hairs. In the beginning I thought I had great resutls. By the 3rd and 4th session I was beginning to noitce WAY more hair per square inch appear in areas beyond treatment. For example, the laser was only administered close to my ear lobe and hair was stimulated going outward from the ear to the side of my cheek, and downward twords my lower jawline. After 8 sessions i quit, and let my hair grow in. I do not have PCOS. I know my body, I know my hair and LASER stimulated my hair growth. In my opinion, unless you have manly pubic hair on your face do NOT get laser on your face.


(I have had my lower back done with good results, and underarms down with amazing results from the same place, same technician.)


Just wondering if a technician can chime in on this but would it have something to do with the frequency of the "laser" light that is pulsed?

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#108393 - 08/15/13 06:44 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Evalegs]
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Quote:
Name of LASER or IPL : CandelaLASE

Treatment settings: Spot Size 18, wavelength 15, Pulse duration m/s 3, DCD 30/20


CandelaLASE isn't a laser, in which case I'm assuming you meant GentleLASE. Wavelength of 15 makes no sense (wavelength would be 755nm on that machine), so maybe you meant joules, except 15J doesn't exist on the GentleLase for 18mm spot size, so basically we don't know what the strength of the settings were.

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#108697 - 08/30/13 08:30 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Registered: 08/28/13
Posts: 77
Loc: Portugal
Gender: Female

Age: 26

Date you started treatment: Last year. However, the affected area (under the chin) was stimulated in 3 sessions only.

Hair color: Dark brown

Color of Skin (Skin type can be relative, so pictures are much better. It would be much better, and more scientific if we had clear photos of the area being treated before, and the same area after. Close up would be nice- so as to be able to clearly see the hair color and thickness): Pale. (I will try to update with pictures eventually)

Hair Structure: The hairs that "sprouted"? Some of them are thin and blond, others are thin and darker and a select few are a bit thicker.


Area(s) treated: Upper lip and chin. However, the area that resulted in trouble was the area under the chin, which they should have left alone to begin with since I had no hair there.

Name of LASER or IPL (Make, and model of laser, date of manufacture, and software revision- this will give a more clear indication of the particular system's capabilities.): Alexandrite laser by Candela

Treatment settings (Complete treatment parameters including Energy/cm2, pulse width, repetition rate, cooling method, spot size, and number of passes (if more than one).

I have no idea whatsoever. I was told it was set to the highest settings according to my skin type in the last session, though. What that is I have no idea.

Skin reaction: Fairly normal, thankfully. Some swelling and redness on the first day. Some minor red areas on the second day. Never had any trouble.

Shedding? There was some dark spots in the week after treatment.

Did you report increased hair growth to your laser specialist? Definitely and they gave all kinds of excuses: from being hormonal (gonna have some blood tests done just to confirm) from the age factor. I am 26 and never had any hair under my chin before these laser sessions.

Before and After pictures? I will update with the results. Unfortunately I don't have any close up of "before".

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#108709 - 08/31/13 03:41 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: lyrical]
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Loc: Sydney,Australia
It is a good idea to have some consultation and test treatments at both clinics. Hopefully Josefa from Malaga will read this thread, she may have some knowledge of electrologists in Portugal.
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#108712 - 08/31/13 08:49 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: C O'Connell]
lyrical Offline
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Registered: 08/28/13
Posts: 77
Loc: Portugal
Thank you for your reply.

After some more research yesterday I found another electrologist, one hour away from where I live. They have studied in Canada and they use the Apilus equipment, which I have watched a video of on Youtube someone linked to here in the forums. I am glad a solution is seeming ever more possible for this, I just need to be patient =)
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Diagnosed with Hashimoto thyroiditis in October 2013.
Taking 50 mg of Levothyroxine daily. Birth control pill Denille.

Victim of paradoxical hair stimulation by laser on chin area.

LHR (GentleLase):

8 sessions on upper lip. Fine dark hairs still visible.

1 session on underarms, bikini line, lower legs. Ongoing.

Electrolysis: started on November 30 2013. [Thermolysis] Chin area (black hair), cheeks (lighter hair slowly going terminal). Most hairs removed have white roots.

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