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#94327 - 12/09/11 02:22 PM REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION
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We have accounts of laser hair stimulation testimonials all over Hairtell in relation to a few areas of the body and face. Laser hair reduction has been available to the consumer market since the late 1990's and has been remarkably successful in helping the hairy and we are most glad to hear about those successes. This new thread is specific to one side effect, and it is hoped that consumers will report this side effect here, rather than having the information scattered over 94,000 posts on Hairtell. A recent consumer suggested that a page like this be added, Please no bashing, just the facts.



You can copy and paste this, so as to give complete information:



Gender:

Age:

Date you started treatment:

Hair color:

Color of Skin (Skin type can be relative, so pictures are much better. It would be much better, and more scientific if we had clear photos of the area being treated before, and the same area after. Close up would be nice- so as to be able to clearly see the hair color and thickness):

Hair Structure:

Area(s) treated:

Name of LASER or IPL (Make, and model of laser, date of manufacture, and software revision- this will give a more clear indication of the particular system's capabilities.):

Treatment settings (Complete treatment parameters including Energy/cm2, pulse width, repetition rate, cooling method, spot size, and number of passes (if more than one).

Skin reaction:

Shedding?

Did you report increased hair growth to your laser specialist?

Before and After pictures?

***HIGHLY DESIRABLE- Proof of accurate energy output from laser/IPL source- company name, technician name, and date of service within the last 6 months are of the utmost importance. Any medspa who uses third party service should be able to get this info from the company if they do not already have it themselves.




Other comments.



No detail is too small to mention.

If photo's need to need to be updated, send to me in a private message or make a new post and I will move them to the original post as you direct.

If you had success in other areas treated with laser, please mention that as well. You can also go to the LASER SUCCESS STORIES link here:
http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads....html#Post71755


Edited by dfahey (05/15/13 03:32 PM)
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#94352 - 12/09/11 10:30 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Is it possible to update a post later? I would like to update it with photos.

Let me start:

Started treatment: April/May/June 2010(?)

Skin color: I'm portuguese. I guess my skin is a type III or a little (olive?)

Hair structure: Vellus, thin.

Hair color: Black/dark brown

Area that was treated: Back of the neck, and upper back

Type of laser used: IPL/Laser. 8 IPL sessions on the first clinic (franchise). Bad treatment, treatments every month. It did not seem to make things that worse, barely any shedding. When I switched clinic, I noticed a difference in the settings used. They used ipl and laser. Got shedding and made things really worse. My age is still a factor though. Although I must say I had a very unnaturall look on my back, some patches of longer vellus hair, then don't. oh well...

Settings if known: First clinic, very low. I can't say for sure... And I don't even want to contact them again. Where I am now I was treated with higher settings, although I don't wanna say any numbers because I might be wrong. I'll update, I'm going to ask them.

Skin reaction after treatment: As I said, minor irritation following the treatment. Barely any shedding in the first clinic, shedding in the second clinic. One minor detail, in one of the treatments I had where they treated me with laser on the "hair line" on the back of my neck I got these tiny scabs and in a small area the hair took longer to grow. Still it grew, but I think that that area might have been "treated" that time.

When did you notice an increased amount of hair after the starting date? I only got properly informed about all of this after the initial 8 treatments, which made me search for serious options. I would say that the two months space in between treatments opened my eyes to what should have been a hair free time. What I noticed was growth of stronger hairs in all the area treated. And it makes/made a difference from the areas that were not targeted. Really. In one I have absolutely notmal vellus hair and then I have this strange hair that isn't neither coarse enough but it still seems like a vellus hair, only upgraded lol. a little more dark.

Did you report this to your laser specialist? In the second clinic, yes. I changed treatment to electrolysis.

Before and after pictures? I'll try to update.

Important factors: age, I'm 19 made a few days ago. Could this be something that was going to happen even if I didn't had the treatments? How can I be sure? I'm guessing/hopping not, and I saw it happen in front of my eyes, bigger the energy, worse results. AND THE HAIR WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BE SUITABLE TO THESE KIND OF TREATMENTS. THAT SHOULD BE CLEAR.
All I know is that I will follow with electrolysis for now. If the treatment is successfull, which is something I'm eager to know and complete (the 18 months window that I've been reading about here).
What happens one year after the treatment if it really has been well performed or what will happen after the very last treatment, I'm hoping to share with you. I hope one day I can put these mistakes behind my back.

Thank you all. You can follow my treatments diary here:

http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/92656/My_Story_Diary.html#Post92656

It has some photos, although not the best; and they're post the laser hair stimulation. Any questions, do ask


Edited by jonhyvb (12/09/11 10:36 PM)

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#94353 - 12/10/11 12:08 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: jonhyvb]
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Jon,

You can send me pictures by PM or you post them here with instructions to move them to your original post.

Thanks much,

Dee
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#94524 - 12/16/11 05:23 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Posting complaints of laser hair stimulation as I stumble across then from past posts.

"#81167 - Sat Dec 18 2010 08:14 AM Re: Diary of a European guy.
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I suffered paradoxical hypertrichosis. I don´t know what is the prevalence rate, but I do know what is starting from "a little amount of non desirable hairs" and ending up with "a fistfull more"

The only thing I got rid of, was my money (not so much, fortunately)

Since electrolysis can´t make you hairier, I´m not taking chances about laser anymore.

Just my personal experience.
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#94532 - 12/16/11 12:50 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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From 2004:

#16989 - Wed May 12 2004 08:25 PM NEW MEMBER !! LASER QUESTIONS]

Chuck


Registered: Wed May 12 2004
Posts: 272
Loc: Kansas City, MO
How's it going everybody? I just found this board because I was kind of getting fed up with the Kitty's Consumer Beware board and it's censorship. I believe this board will be much more non-biased, and will not shoot me if I say nething that the "moderators" don't believe in. Here is a message from the Kitty board that I copied and pasted because I'm too lazy to type it all over again.

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Hello everyone, I'm back again. I have been absent for a little over a couple of months because I was in the wonderful hair-free period after my fifth GentleLase Plus treatment. Once again, it as all came back, in fact, it even looks like there is more. I seem to have much more neck hair, upper arm, and shoulder hair especially. On Monday, I'm going to my SIXTH treatment. This is the start to my free treatments, yes that's right, I said free. I don't know how I got so lucky, but I found a tech that has a policy after 5 treatments, re-treatments are free. Boy is he going to feel sorry. I won't bother to waste your time about my opinions regarding the conspiracies of laser treatment and how it hasn't worked a darn for long term effects for me. I do have some questions however.

I now realize that long term results will NEVER be achievable for me, so I am just worried about the shedding aspect. MY GOAL - To use laser treatments the rest of my life to create continual hair free periods. What I mean by this is, I would go to the tech every 2 months or so. I used KALO after my irratation from the laser went away after my fifth treatment, and I noticed that for a couple weeks after the hair free period it comes in lighter and MAY lengthen the hair-free period a tad. This is my goal....the hard part is the 2-3 weeks of irratation and pepper spots, but after that, I'm home free for a good six weeks. After those six weeks I will then go back and get another treatment, for the rest of my life. Since my treatments are now free, I am going to utilize only a few free treatments from my tech. I'm going to tell him I'll pay him $100 or so each treatment to come back indefinitely, being that he guaranteed free treatments after the fifth, I would imagine he'd be more than willing to accept to meet the cost of his time working on me.

I have seen some machines on ebay that advertise long-term hair removal and bla bla bla, but what I'm worried about is what is the CHEAPEST device I can purchase that will enable me to get the hair free period that the GentleLase plus gives me. I've also tried the Lyra laser, and the Polamar Este Lux. The Polamar Este Lux gave me a hair free period, but the Lyra did not make one single hair shed. Here is one machine I've seen on ebay that claims to be a laser hair removal device.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11840&item=4167519984&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3179&item=4167914676&rd=1

Will these devices induce shedding and a total hair free period? This is all I'm looking for, just over and over again, kind of like a "laser waxing" because that's all laser hair removal is anyways. I'm curious to what causes the hair to shed. Is it the strength of the laser, power, jules.. what creates shedding because that's all I'm interested in.

One more question, long term repeated laser treatments. Has there been any studies? Is it safe to use laser treatments say 5 - 7 times a year for ten years or so? Even if it isn't good for your skin, well, I'm still going to do it anyways, I just want to see what I'm getting into. Please tell me good news <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> My hairness is horrible, I look like a 21 year old wearwolf. I have hair everywhere, dark, and thick.

Thank you,

Chuck
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#94867 - 01/02/12 11:11 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Copied and pasted:



#94864 - Today at 01:50 PM Re: How many laser appts before paradox. hypertrichosi
notadelphin
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I noticed longer, dark velus hair several months after the only laser treatment I had, at an area of the legs where I only had short velus hair (top part of the thigh).

If you want to be 100% sure, don't let them lase you unless they use a good laser with strong settings at an area where the hair is dark & wiry like pubic/underarm hair. It should be ok then.
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#95754 - 02/10/12 05:30 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Copied and pasted from a new thread started 2-9-2012. The poster is switching to electrolysis after several treatments with a GentleLase LASER.

Follow DPP progress with electrolysis on his thread: Diary of an Australian boy



#95727 - Yesterday at 02:15 AM Diary of an Australian Boy
DPP
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Registered: Mon Sep 05 2011
Posts: 7

My Dear Friends,

You may not know me. I have not been an active member on this forum. But I have been around for over a year now. Following all of you.

This is my story:

I am a 22 year old male of middle eastern background living in Australia. I decided to undergo laser hair removal when I was 19 years old. The areas that I had treated were my arms, facial cheeks, underarms, and shoulders. I had these areas treated with an Alexandrite Gentle Lase machine. On my cheeks I had approximately 20 sessions spaced a month apart. Everywhere else I had approximately 10 sessions spaced 8 weeks apart.

In all the laser sessions, I responded just as I was supposed to. My skin came out in bumps and whelks. This subsided by a day. And I would be left with red bumps all over for the next couple of days. The hairs would then gradually fall out of their own accord over the next few weeks. etc.

Unfortunately, the laser was not only ineffective but the areas treated are now worse than they originally were. The hair is now very dark, and much coarser. Particularly in areas that were not a problem beforehand. For example, my inside forearm hairs which were quite fine before are now very thick and dark. And my shoulders are really bad too. This response was generally noticed everywhere. There are a few small patches on my outer forearm where the laser seems to have killed off a few hairs.

This stimulation is clearly the result of laser because there are clear lines where the laser has traveled and created dark coarse hair next to light fine hairs.


I stopped after this many treatments and sought advice from doctors. To keep this short and sweet - they had no idea. One even burnt me.

I then sought the help of other laser therapist who may have come into contact with other people like me. No one was sure what had happened. One very experienced therapist had me go for two sessions of laser with her. She claimed that the laser had been on ineffective low settings. She raised the settings to extremely high (unbearable) levels on a Lumenis Lightsheer machine, to the point where I was shaking during treatments. With the help of Emla I had two sessions with her but this was also not very effective. However, I will give it to her, she didn't burn me.

So by this point I was so upset and frustrated I decided to leave it for two years. But now the hairs are unmanageable. Because they are thick, waxing results in a field of ingrowns, sore bumps, pain etc. And shaving is much the same. And I haven't worn a t-shirt in two years. Or exercised. I haven't been happy. I spend most my time worrying about it. And the remaining time plucking. Sleep and awake time. Especially given that I never really had hair anxiety before laser.

But my solace has been this website. It is so comforting to know that this is a shared experience. That I am not the only one who cries. So thank you to all of you here. If it weren't for you all, I would be in far worse place. Hairtell has been my daily home of optimism for the past year.

So above is the history. I am going to start my diary in the next post :-)

- P
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#104380 - 01/31/13 05:54 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Oh, sorry, put this in the wrong place, so now i'll add it here...

my details aren't great but here ya go...

Date you started treatment: no idea, a few years ago, and only 1 treatment

Hair color: black

Color of Skin: olive brown

Hair Structure: curly coarse (chin hair)

Area(s) treated: chin

Name of LASER or IPL: Diode i think

Treatment settings, if known: no idea

Skin reaction: i can't remember, pretty sure it wasn't good. i feel like i recall brown spots where the gun was placed, hanging around for some time.

Shedding? can't recall.

Did you report increased hair growth to your laser specialist?

no.

Before and After pictures?

Other comments.

i got treated with what i believe was a diode on my chin from my someone who had no idea what they were doing. (i want to say a few years ago or more).

She placed the gun right below the jaw bone, so at least she knew to be inconspicuous. I could feel it really just feeling way too hot and not right (oh yeah, something like a laser being burned into my skin!),

she did at most 10(?) zaps of the laser when i thanked her and left,

and i'm not sure how much later(a handful of months maybe i think when i noticed, really not sure, sry) i got coarse straight hairs growing right at the top of my neck where it meets the jaw, i have never had them before. It is an absolute fact that i have never had those hairs before b/c they were so straight and coarse out of nowhere, and were totally different than my distorted, curly hairs that i've always had.

can't remember how many, 10? 15? Started as a couple then i actually had to spend time plucking them, so no idea how many in the end, but not too many. I am olive medium brown, this was a few years ago. (i got rid of them with electrolysis recently).


Edited by prettysure (01/31/13 05:56 PM)
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95%+ hair reduction on legs from nd:Yag laser done years ago
75%+ hair reduction on axilla with nd:Yag laser done years ago (the rest being finished with flash electrolysis)
100% permanent hair removal on bikini line with electrolysis over 15 years ago
100% removal of hair on chin with flash electrolysis (well, almost done, maybe 2 fifteen minute sessions left for the small amount of dormant hairs.
0% permanent removal on brazilian after 5 sessions of Yag (and 3 IPL). no idea why. Will try again in 2013.

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#104385 - 02/01/13 05:14 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: prettysure]
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Check out our laser FAQs before starting your brazilian treatments!

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#104386 - 02/02/13 12:01 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: LAgirl]
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Originally Posted By: LAgirl
Check out our laser FAQs before starting your brazilian treatments!


yeah, now im highly educated (although i've chosen not to learn all the settings) i wasn't back then. But it's still quite odd given the amount of treatments i've had for it to not be diminished what so ever, even with 5 yags from the same people who did my legs. So it might just be something odd rather than user/practitioner error. Time will tell. laugh.

but i'll pass the faq page on to some ladies i've been helping with info about laser, it's wonderfully comphrehensive.


Edited by prettysure (02/02/13 12:06 AM)
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38 y/o female. Fitzpatrick III-IV

95%+ hair reduction on legs from nd:Yag laser done years ago
75%+ hair reduction on axilla with nd:Yag laser done years ago (the rest being finished with flash electrolysis)
100% permanent hair removal on bikini line with electrolysis over 15 years ago
100% removal of hair on chin with flash electrolysis (well, almost done, maybe 2 fifteen minute sessions left for the small amount of dormant hairs.
0% permanent removal on brazilian after 5 sessions of Yag (and 3 IPL). no idea why. Will try again in 2013.

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#104832 - 02/26/13 02:27 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: prettysure]
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Poster 'Portis' reports laser hair stimulation. Here us the link:

http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads....html#Post99374

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#104837 - 02/26/13 03:19 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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I think there needs to be section on this where people can/need to add their age. It's a little hard to discern how much hair growth is due to laser stimulation and how much is due to growing older/hormones changing/natural causes. Unfortunately, there's really not enough information here to conclude how much hair growth is due to the laser. For example, when people in their late teens seek LHR (I used to be one of them), can I safely blame the hair growth on the laser? I can't say that with confidence since my body is still producing hair. Or if someone sees an increase of a few hairs in a spot they didn't have before? I don't know if I would constitute <20 hairs as "induced growth." I do think it's good information to have on record, but I definitely think there needs to be more scientific studies on this phenomenon.

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#104838 - 02/26/13 03:23 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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Thanks. Good points. I just added Gender and Age to the guideline form in the first post on this thread. It looks like this:





Gender:

Age:

Date you started treatment:

Hair color:

Color of Skin:

Hair Structure:

Area(s) treated:

Name of LASER or IPL:

Treatment settings, if known:

Skin reaction:

Shedding?

Did you report increased hair growth to your laser specialist?

Before and After pictures?

Other comments.
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#105498 - 03/19/13 02:45 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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From a poster on 3-18-13:

#105489 - Today at 05:18 PM Laser Induced Growth on Upper Arms--PLEASE HELP
Chichigirl13
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I've been obsessively lurking on this website for quite some time now, but have never mustered up the courage to start a post. I have gotten both electrolysis and laser hair removal on a few parts of my face and body and have had good results. I'm an Italian female with dark hair and therefore have been blessed with some dark facial and body hair. When I was about 14 years old (I'm now 24) I got laser hair removal on my forearms. From what I remember I received six treatments and the results were incredible. It removed all but a few fine hairs from my forearms and gave me a newfound sense of confidence at the time. A couple of years ago I started to get very uncomfortable with the hair on my upper arms as well, which was more noticeable than most people's because it was brown, but it was extremely fine and really only noticeable to me. I became so obsessed with it that finally I decided to get laser hair removal on that hair too, aware that it might not actually remove that hair, but not realizing that it could actually INDUCE worse growth! I received three treatments with no issues at all, and then a couple months after the fourth treatment I noticed more hair was growing back and it was thick, dark, and long. The woman who does my laser hair removal (and also my electrolysis) is convinced that it is not laser induced hair growth because the hair on my forearms started to grow back in all of a sudden as well, almost 10 years after no growth. I have seen several doctors and have gotten several blood tests done (no I do not have PCOS even though I suffer from other common symptoms as well such as hair loss and acne). I am also a Registered Nurse so I do know how hormones can affect your body and it seems as if I am perfectly healthy. All I can come up with is that I came off of my birth control last February and it was after my May treatment that I noticed worse growth. I know it sounds like it wasn't actually the laser that caused the growth on my arms, but I truly feel that even if I do have something going on hormonally, my arms wouldn't have been affected by it if I had just accepted the fine hair on my arms and not tried to change my appearance with laser hair removal on that area. I have been so extremely depressed from this situation and I resorted to electrolysis last October, and then stopped in December after my electrologist recommended I just stick with laser on such a large area, which I refuse to do. I received a total of ten hours of electrolysis (I believe I received thermolysis with an Apilus) on my upper arms and I feel like it did absolutely nothing. There was still so much hair to be removed and then my electrologist convinced me it wouldn't be worth it to keep getting electrolysis on a large area like that. Since December I did nothing to the hair except be so incredibly uncomfortable and depressed over it, but I just haven't wanted to even deal with it. About two weeks ago I decided to wax it myself because I just couldn't bear to look at it anymore. I'm still uncomfortable even with the waxing though because the thick hairs growing back there look weird and stubbly. Basically I'm at a complete loss and I don't know what to do about it anymore. I think about it almost every second of every day. It has completely taken over my life and I'm so angry at myself for ever trying to remove the hair there in the first place. I'm not sure if I should find a new electrologist who can maybe give me quicker results or if I should just keep waxing it forever. I've already spent so much money on this area between the laser treatments and the electrolysis (my electrologist charges me $65 an hour, which I know is reasonable, but not if she's not doing a good job). I just need some feedback or suggestions as I feel completely hopeless. I would include pictures, but there's really not much to see since I waxed it a couple weeks ago. I will say though that I know the hair isn't terrible...it is sparse and I really can't even see it when I stand a foot away from the mirror, but up close some of the growth that is there is dark, thick, and long. I apologize for such a long post here, but I wanted to give as much information as possible in order to receive some helpful answers so I can just start living my life again. Thanks in advance for any replies.
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http://www.electrolysis.co.uk/?page_id=16

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#105521 - 03/19/13 04:08 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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To be fair, I don't think the above case is related to laser induced growth. It sounds like coming off birth control probably had a lot to do with this. This is a major factor in hormonal growth, so it's hard to ignore it here.

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#105525 - 03/19/13 07:28 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: LAgirl]
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Stopping birth control pills caused long , dark hair to grow on her upper arms and forearms? These areas are not highly sensitive to hormones like facial hair, so I don't think anything is unfair here. What's unfair is, a laser clinic took this woman's money to treat fine dark hairs.
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#105540 - 03/20/13 01:00 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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They should have never treated fine hair, but it sounds like the first couple treatments didn't cause any adverse effects. I still feel you can't simply ignore a huge thing like stopping birth control.

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#105542 - 03/20/13 01:27 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: LAgirl]
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Millions of women stop using their birth control pills without developing hair growth!
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#105545 - 03/20/13 02:35 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: LAgirl]
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They should have never treated fine hair, but it sounds like the first couple treatments didn't cause any adverse effects. I still feel you can't simply ignore a huge thing like stopping birth control.


It wasn't ignored. It was hardly considered because the arms are not influenced by hormonal changes like the face can be. She was referring to her ARMS top and bottom.
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#105548 - 03/20/13 06:15 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Originally Posted By: dfahey
Originally Posted By: LAgirl
They should have never treated fine hair, but it sounds like the first couple treatments didn't cause any adverse effects. I still feel you can't simply ignore a huge thing like stopping birth control.


It wasn't ignored. It was hardly considered because the arms are not influenced by hormonal changes like the face can be. She was referring to her ARMS top and bottom.


Perhaps, but I have never heard of someone having induced growth on their forearms.

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#105552 - 03/20/13 12:20 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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Perhaps, but I have never heard of someone having induced growth on their forearms.


Doesn't mean it isn't a possibility that it can happen to some people.
Here was my full response to the OP on March 18th. I think it struck a fair balance. See the red script.
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#105496 - Mon Mar 18 2013 10:41 PM Re: Laser Induced Growth on Upper Arms--PLEASE HELP [Re: Chichigirl13]
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I don't agree that electrolysis is not for large areas. Ten hours on the upper arms with thermolysis (machine brand doesn't assure speed and success) should have made a dent, but you say it did nothing. Ten hours over two months is not enough time.

I personally would like to see a picture or two of your upper arms with the hair grown out, in its natural state. Induced laser hair stimulation is a possibility on the upper arms of men, so why not women? I would say this could be so in your case? The upper arms are not hormonally dependent areas, so that's why laser stimulation make sense.

As for your forearms, it is a possibility that the laser stunned the hair and halted its growth long term and for some reason, ten years later, the hair started to reve up again. Just an educated guess and I admit that I can't say for sure what happened in your case. What you report is very important and many of us have noted your story. On the other hand, perhaps you are still developing your hair patterns and that is new hair.

If your hair is fine, it is good that you refused further laser treatment. Your only remedy is electrolysis. If you can shop around for an electrologist who is aggressive and resolved enough to do your arms with full confidence, then you will be fine. Large areas are not the domain of laser if the hair is too fine or too light. It can do nothing for you, so don't waste your time or money. A professional electrologist, with the passion and pride it takes to do a job well, will save you.


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#105554 - 03/20/13 02:20 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Yes I remember reading that, but I do have strong doubts about having rebound growth (which is probably not a real phrase) from laser 10 years later. If I recall, the OP said she was treated when she was 14? That leaves a lot of time for hair to grow in. I'm just not convinced this was induced. It might have been, but I just want to express my reservations

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#105557 - 03/20/13 04:09 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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I expressed my reservations as well. Nonetheless, the OP reported her observations and stated what she thought. It is worth considering, but no one has has clicked the gavel to declare a definite judgement. We look at patterns and it is nice to have all comments about this subject in one place for others to peruse.
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#105558 - 03/20/13 04:33 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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I don't disagree. Please don't feel like I'm attacking you. I just don't want a bunch of people who read this forum to now not seek hair removal because of something that laser may/may not have done.

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#105561 - 03/20/13 04:39 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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I do not feel attacked in the least. We are having a very good discussion, I believe. Most of the people who read this are adults and can put it all together on their own and then decide for themselves. Nothing falsely unfair was said here.
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#105566 - 03/20/13 08:07 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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I just commented on the arm post and saw this thread. To sum up what I think (and wrote on other thread): Yes you can have laser stimulated hair pretty much anywhere hair follicles are.

Yes rebound laser hair is becoming more common since the earliest people treated in the mid/late nineties-early 2000's are seeing the hair return (I'm NOT talking about IPL's). Is this due to technology back then or is it due to the follicle repairing itself or due to "stunned" lasered hairs returning to normal???

Edit by Dee Fahey: I included what you wrote on the "arm post".

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You can have laser induced pretty much anywhere. I know a laser tech who refuses to give up her laser treatments even tho I've seen the hair get worse on her face, neck and chest (collar bone, breast bone, breasts). The energy is NOT too low: the hair WAS too fine even tho its dark.

You may see the hairs on your upper arms continually get worse for up to 8 months maybe a yr due to the laser treated hairs coming back. Or you may see certain months the hairs worse/thicker throughout the yrs. This is most likely the laser treated hairs going through its hair cycles.

All is not lost tho, thanks to electrolysis. Just try to be patient since laser induced hair is trickier to treat due to the returning "laser hairs". Goodluck finding the right electrologist

PS. yes lasered hairs on your lower arms can definitely come back with or without a hormonal reason. 7-10 years seem to be a common timeline for lasered hair to return. Nobody truly knows how long lasered hair stays away?"
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#105579 - 03/21/13 01:47 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: CareBearhair]
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That is THE question. Thus, that is why we note with interest consumer comments and watch for patterns and common denominators.

CareBear, are you a hair removal specialist, meaning laser? IPL? or an electrologist?
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#106978 - 05/17/13 04:00 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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Another consumer complaint. Copied and pasted from another thread:



#106956 - 5-16-13 at 07:06 AM Re: ELECTROLYSIS SUCCESS STORIES! Add yours here. [Re: Tina Marie]
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Hi all,

I've finally registered on this site after scouring all posts relating to electrolysis/laser hair removal as a non member. This site has been such a massive help during my electrolysis journey and I'm now confident enough to share my experience.

Where to start, I am a 25 year old female of South East Asian descent. Fortunately for me I am actually not overly hairy however of course you are always your own worse critic. My sideburns bothered me a bit. They were longer than the usual (just a teeny fraction past my earlobes)and a work colleague had been getting IPL for pigmentation and suggested it as an option since I had mentioned it bothered me.

Anywho to try and cut this long story short, I had 4 sessions of IPL on my sideburns and upper lip. Initially my sideburns were shaved (standard practice) prior to the IPL. I had 4 weeks in between treatments and what I thought were results, was actually just the delayed growth due to the shaving on each visit. I personally don't think the IPL had any effect on the hair as there was no shedding in between. My savvy colleagues had then caught onto Laser hair removal and were getting bikini areas done to which rave reviews all round. I then switched from IPL to Laser. Boy was that a bad decision.

Of course according to the clinic, yes I was a perfect candidate and most definitely the laser would work . I am of medium skin colour and tan easily , the hairs on my face were black but very fine (cringing as I'm typing this - hindsight is always 20/20). I had 6 sessions in total, with a Candela Gentlelase - the settings i'm not quite sure of. Walking away after each session, I was happy with the "results" the surface hair had been removed. And after two weeks time I did experience the shedding of hair.

After my 5th treatment, during the break period I noticed that although my sideburns had been removed the fine downy hair that coated my cheeks were now no longer fine but dark, and alot thicker (correct term being terminal hairs). As well as hairs sprouting on my neck. In a panic, I called the owner of the clinic who reassured me this was not a problem and to see her on my next visit. At this stage, I then started to google keywords such as "laser stimulated hair growth" I came across so many other posts which made me really anxious about what was happening to me and also stumbled upon this website. On my visit I mentioned that could this possibly be the result of laser induced hypertrichosis? A terminology I picked up from my Google search.


The owner assured me, no definitely not. The hair growth was nothing out of the norm and she had seen worse, zapped the hair as per usual and told me if I had any worries or questions not to hesitate and contact her.

After the 6th session all was fine for up to 8 weeks, I then noticed I practically had grown a beard overnight! All the fine vellus hair that covered my cheeks and jawline had turned terminal. Sometimes during my laser sessions the technician would say Oh you've just got a dark hair here, i'll zap it for you. This would be in random spots on my neck. I noticed I now had a number of dark hairs around 7-8 on my neck. I KNOW for a fact, this was all laser stimulated hair. I had gone and caused myself a problem, when I practically didn't even have one to start off with. I gave up on returning back to laser, after all the research I did thereafter I knew I was one of the unfortunate's who managed to get laser induced hair growth. Suing is also not an option in New Zealand.

The worse part of it all was not only the visual of the hair that had grown (in a beardlike pattern - along the front of my cheeks), but the coarse sound when I rubbed my hand against my face. This absolutely shattered my self esteem and I kicked myself everyday for my stupid uninformed decision I had made.

I then came across Electrolysis as a form of hair removal, this time round I did extensive research. Such as post electrolysis effects, and does electrolysis stimulate hair growth ? I was so wary of the consequences of hair removal. I only came across positive reviews and reassuring posts.

5 months ago I started my electrolysis journey, the lady I have been going to has done such a fantastic job. I can't believe the results and am so wrapped I'm looking into doing a course in electrolysis myself to help others.

To those who may be sitting here reading this post, considering hair removal options (mainly laser) for yourself. Please please do your research, speak to those who have undergone treatments themselves. From what I've learnt, laser only works on COARSE dark hair, preferably on fair skin. And should really not be performed on females from the neck up because it is such a hormonal area. I am not a professional but am only speaking from my own experience. I would recommend electrolysis to all and I really wish that I had chosen it from the start.

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#106988 - 05/17/13 03:29 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Seriously- idiotic practitioners need to STOP with the skin type IV+ GentleLase treatments! ESPECIALLY if they are not using AGGRESSIVE treatment with 755nm... that is, 18mm spot size, at least 20J/cm2, and a MINIMUM 50ms pulsewidth, with enough time between shots to allow the skin to rest!

What I don't understand- if her sideburns were to be removed, how did hair on her face and neck grow??? Did she have her face and neck treated? Was she tested for hirsutism, or hyperandrogenism?

She says she knows for a "FACT" the growth was stimulated by laser, so hopefully she did have all these tests done.
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#106997 - 05/17/13 11:02 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: CRC Biomedical]
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Originally Posted By: CRC Biomedical
Seriously- idiotic practitioners need to STOP with the skin type IV+ GentleLase treatments! ESPECIALLY if they are not using AGGRESSIVE treatment with 755nm... that is, 18mm spot size, at least 20J/cm2, and a MINIMUM 50ms pulsewidth, with enough time between shots to allow the skin to rest!


Yes! Exactly! How are laser practitioners educated? How long does it take? Who teaches the doctors and others to use the laser after they purchase it?

Originally Posted By: CRC Biomedical
What I don't understand- if her sideburns were to be removed, how did hair on her face and neck grow??? Did she have her face and neck treated? Was she tested for hirsutism, or hyperandrogenism?


For your first question / sentence: I know you don't like anecdotal hearsay, but I remember at least two clients of mine said they had IPL on their face, but a few months l
later they had sporadic thick hairs growing on their neck when the wand didn't even TOUCH the neck area! Could the heat have transferred to another location to wake up those hairs? By the way, they never had terminal hairs there before.

Originally Posted By: CRC Biomedical
She says she knows for a "FACT" the growth was stimulated by laser, so hopefully she did have all these tests done.


This is what we hear in many testimonials. Could there be that many coincidences that people have something else wrong but grow hair several weeks after light-based treatments?
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#106999 - 05/17/13 11:45 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Perhaps this is pure speculation, but does 7-8 hairs constitute induced growth? A few hairs popping up seems like it could be due to any sort of hormonal change. I would've expected to see a lot more growth if it was "laser induced," but a single digit number of hairs... well, maybe that's just me.

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#107001 - 05/18/13 01:37 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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I don't know. I share the story and others can conclude what they want. There are more questions than answers on this subject.

Maybe stimulation is selective? Maybe some hair follicles are more easily stimulated than others? I'm not a hair biologist. I merely remove the hair and share with this community what my clients share with me. In a way, it doesn't matter to me because my role is to remove the hair permanently and I can certainly do that. On with life......

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#107002 - 05/18/13 02:37 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Oh yes I understand... I just wanted to post my speculation so others can give weight to my opinion as well. That's all

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#107017 - 05/18/13 10:23 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Exactly! How are laser practitioners educated? How long does it take? Who teaches the doctors and others to use the laser after they purchase it?


- If a lawyer is incompetent do you ask what school the lawyer went to? It is the responsibility of any professional to truly be a professional in their field.

Originally Posted By: CRC Biomedical
What I don't understand- if her sideburns were to be removed, how did hair on her face and neck grow??? Did she have her face and neck treated? Was she tested for hirsutism, or hyperandrogenism?


Originally Posted By: dfahey
Could the heat have transferred to another location to wake up those hairs? By the way, they never had terminal hairs there before.


This, again, is evidence of your bias Dee. I asked a perfectly viable question regarding hyperandrogenism and hirsutism, and instead of even considering the question- you jump to a completely unrelated hypothesis involving the laser. Why do you dare not consider hormonal issues???

Originally Posted By: dfahey
This is what we hear in many testimonials.


Yes, and you're a nurse... so think like one. If a patient comes to you and says "I have bronchitis" do you treat the patient for bronchitis? How are experts supposed to make any assessments if your standard for expert is anybody who makes a negative claim?

Originally Posted By: dfahey
Could there be that many coincidences that people have something else wrong but grow hair several weeks after light-based treatments?


Let's speak in terms of what we know- she did not say her face was treated. She said she was having her sideburns removed. The location of her new hair growth is not consistent with where she says she had treatment performed. There is no reason, given the evidence as stated by the reporter, to consider laser as the cause other than the client's claim to know for a fact the laser is to blame.
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#107018 - 05/18/13 10:29 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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Perhaps this is pure speculation, but does 7-8 hairs constitute induced growth? A few hairs popping up seems like it could be due to any sort of hormonal change. I would've expected to see a lot more growth if it was "laser induced," but a single digit number of hairs... well, maybe that's just me.


Brenton, you are very diplomatic in pointing out the obvious. This IS pure speculation. It does not matter what kind of evidence anyone gives to the contrary- the supposition is in place and the information is used to fill in the gaps. What does not agree with the supposition, though it may be answered rationally, is disregarded in favor of speculation which does support the initial supposition.

Every single doctor who has taken part in any of the "studies" cited regarding paradoxical hypertrichosis have made millions performing laser hair removal. The papers themselves don't condemn lasers in the manner speculators do, and most of their conclusions disagree with most of the speculation.
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#107030 - 05/19/13 07:42 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: CRC Biomedical]
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Mickey, I see no evidence that I am being biased. How could I be when I have stated many times, over the years on this site, that I refer my clients who are good candidates to laser and I have observed fantastic results? So, it would be so helpful if you stopped using that tactic.

You appear to be pushing the idea that scientifically speaking, it couldn't possibly be laser that caused increased hair growth , but rather it must be other stimulators (coincidentally) like hyperandrogenism, hirsutism causing this. You are doing exactly what you are saying I am doing... speculating. For all I know, you have a favorable bias toward lasers since you sell and service lasers as your livihood.

It appears to be a strange coincidence that of all the cases that have been reported since 2003 by worried consumers on Hairtell, have the common denominator of observing more hair than when they started after a few or more laser treatments. I don't think we are on the same page, and thus you don't understand what I'm trying to convey because you may not have the real world advantage of closely communicating with real live clients like I do.

I would hope that anyone with a scientific mind should be open to such all possibilities and not poo-poo consumer observations as impossibilities. All electrologists well understand what the list of possibilities are for one having too much hair in the wrong places. Genetics, medications, stress, puberty, pregnancy, menopause, disease...... We are always on the lookout for what could be stimulating hair growth.

Are you excluding the possibility that laser cannot cause more hair in or around an area to grow when many have reported that they never had the extra amount of hair before they started laser? Are you saying that it is just a well-timed coincidence caused by a hormonal happening? Why is there so many well-timed coincidences is my question? Is it only because of practitioner error as you suggested before?

The doctors whom you talked to still stood by their words 'paradoxical laser hair stimulation' when you disagreed with them and you remarked that you were disappointed. Why were you disappointed? It's the practitioner's fault?

I stand by my honest and unbiased parroting of what real life clients/patients report. Am I wrong to think that you are saying lasers did not cause these problems for the client , that just by coincidence their hormonal environment decided to change just when they started LASER HAIR REDUCTION ?

So many questions, I know. My hope is that I was diplomatic enough in my approach to you as a respected professional in your field. If my obtuseness is a problem, I would hope you could explain your points in other words to help me better understand your bottom line. The length of this thread could be a problem in that we have forgotten the original concerns.

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#107031 - 05/19/13 07:59 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Oh, I will re-ask another question that I had hoped you would have answered above.

There are probably thousands of people doing laser hair reduction. Since you said "idiotic (laser) practitioners need to stop treating........" , I asked you to describe how long it takes to educate the doctors and technician laser specialists? You diverted with a comment about lawyers. I didn't ask about lawyers. I asked about the type of training and length of training laser specialist go through. Last I heard, in my state of Ohio, training is 50 hours and it is taught in the local electrologist school as part of the curriculum.

You were unhappy about laser being applied incorrectly and called some practitioners idiotic. So, the conclusion would be that problems like increased hair growth after a couple sessions of laser, is caused by human error and if they were using the correct laser at the correct parameters, then there would be no hair stimulation. In turn, there would be no need for a thread on Hairtell entitled, 'REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION '. Thus, my curiosity about how laser specialists are educated. If you choose to answer, that would be most helpful because I really don't know what the standards are for this industry.
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#107033 - 05/19/13 01:12 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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I’m always happy when I give someone a “hysterical” laugh … nice! (but probably a laugh AT, rather than a laugh WITH?)

Bias? Do people have a bias? The answer is, YES of course … absolutely! Simply being human gives us an inescapable bias in our observations and perceptions of the “universe.” The point is, will your bias make it impossible for you to make objective observations? Will your bias make it impossible for you to (as the “Laser Avenger” says), seek the truth?

TRUTH? Really? Have you gotten to that point?

The laser guy seems to be saying that the Hairtell pros are so biased that they are unable to make objective observations … let alone draw any semblance of a conclusion. Well, at this point I will add in all the adjectives that he’s been using.

Funny thing in this discussion is that, indeed, I have, without equivocation, observed L.I.T. I have not, however, observed “paradoxical hair stimulation.” Sure, I have heard patients and practitioners talk about this (in writings too), but have not seen anything that would lead me to such a conclusion … yet!

However, I don’t discount those that have “experiences” or observations. I don't call them "idiots" or "ignorant." The “truth jury” is still out.

And that’s the TRUTH! TRUTH? (Do I need to start a Novena!)

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#107036 - 05/19/13 02:39 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Michael Bono]
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On a completely unrelated story: A new TV series that you probably won’t be seeing … but should!

Called “Beverley Hills Cop,” it’s a take-off on the movie and stars Eddie Murphy (as the dad) and Brandon T. Jackson as the second-generation cop (action/comedy). The pilot was GREAT, but as I learned yesterday (from my client), the show was not picked up by the network (CBS)! Unbelievable!

The producers are now “pitching” the show to other media outlets (and networks) and I hope this one gets aired. Amazingly, the financers now have to pay a fine because the show was not “picked up.” That doesn’t seem right at all.

Maybe “we” (laser/electrolysis) should pay a fine if the hairs aren’t removed permanently? Seems fair to me.

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#107050 - 05/19/13 11:12 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Michael Bono]
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In any case, if anybody is truly interested in discussing what is causing this phenomena, feel free to contact me for more info. Continuing to contact the same people and achieving the same results isn't getting anybody anywhere.
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#107053 - 05/19/13 11:36 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: CRC Biomedical]
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It seems we are all in general agreement that laser can be an acceptable option for some consumers, and electrolysis can be an acceptable option for some consumers.

No method is perfect for everyone, and practitioner skill is important.

It also stands to reason that professionals who focus on one method over another have reasons for doing so, and may wish to defend their method against criticism.

I don't mind criticism backed up by facts, and I don't mind strong but polite disagreement, but we are treading a little close to being uncivil. I consider civility an aspect of professionalism, and I hope everyone will conduct themselves accordingly.

If anyone feels they are being personally attacked or that the sniping is getting too aggressive, please let me know and I will take appropriate action.

Everyone is welcome to share their experiences here. Picking fights is not going to end well for those who choose not to be civil.
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#107728 - 07/04/13 04:08 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Brenton]
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Another report of laser causing hair to wake up?

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So I posted in the laser forum that I had 4 treatments with the Lightsheer Duet on my back and shoulders and all the hair has grown back. Not only that, but the hair on my upper arms actually got thicker. Someone said I should try electrolysis but maybe I am a bad candidate, maybe I'll be wasting my time with electrolysis too? How do I know? I don't want to waste any more money."

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#107739 - 07/05/13 05:00 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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I had just written a few paragraphs but the power went out smirk

Attempt #2

Typically if there is an issue with the laser (burn, complaint) the clinic can call the laser manufacturer with ?'s. They usually recommend 2 things: getting the laser serviced and following the manufacturer's laser settings guidelines. They DO NOT accept any responsibility for any harm, lack of results or induced hair that comes to users and clients.

Burns are the # 1 issue due to lawsuits. Laser induced hair is not accepted or acknowledged as something real to them even tho I'm almost 100% positive they have had complaints or at least questions regarding it from laser owner/operators.

I wouldn't worry too much about all the denial of laser induced hair growth lasting for too much longer. Once someone sues for laser induced hair the research will be happening. It will be proven it exists. How can a lady get a single pulse for 1 coarse hair on her chin 7 times and her results are now 10+ coarse hairs in a 9mm patch. If this was hormonal, she would have hairy patches all over her face.

With laser burns once someone sued, others jumped on the bandwagon. In the early yrs of laser (mid 90's), clients mostly accepted that burns from a ruby laser was a part of the risk of being "hair free". That didn't last for long when people realized they could get $$$. This I'm sure, rapidly changed the amount of research for safety and improvements towards making lasers safe for darker skins= reduction of burn lawsuits and liabilities.

There will be people who will want compensation for leaving the laser clinic hairier than when they walked in.

Time will tell the truth.

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#108257 - 08/06/13 02:48 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: CareBearhair]
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#108225 - Sat Aug 03 2013 12:47 AM Re: Should I go back to Laser? [Re: samukas]
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I feel like I am in the same situation as you kinda. I went in for laser exactly a year ago and did treatments for full back and chest and stomach. I didn't think I needed it for my back because I had a lot of fine hair and some thick hair in certain areas which I called an electrolysis to take care of that but was turned away because she didn't do large areas anymore >:( but anyways I thought laser was great at first, I was having less hair each time and I was really satisfied with the results and after about 8 treatments in the back and about 10 in the front I didn't think I needed anymore. I was getting treatments about every month sometimes a month and a half with a machine called Apogee Elite laser. Well after the treatments I had about 10 times the amount of growth on back and on shoulders.Front I would say a little better chest maybe 10% better, stomach idk if I can tell a difference or not maybe a little better too I can't recall to be honest.

I am now looking into calling around to find an electrolysis for the front as far as the back I think I'm screwed there is too much hair now. I'm not sure what to do. For you I would say electrolysis at least you know that is permanent : /

How do you shave your back btw?

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#108385 - 08/14/13 04:53 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
LeChatQuiChante Offline
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Registered: 07/31/13
Posts: 5
Gender: Female

Age: 27

Date you started treatment: 9/15/12

Hair color: Brown (dark brown)

Color of Skin: Olive, Caucasian Italian & Colombian

Hair Structure: Fine but Dark hair

Area(s) treated: Sideburns

Name of LASER or IPL : CandelaLASE

Treatment settings: Spot Size 18, wavelength 15, Pulse duration m/s 3, DCD 30/20

Skin reaction: Redness, small amount of swelling

Shedding? Yes

Did you report increased hair growth to your laser specialist? yes


When I began laser hair removal in NYC I was not correctly, or strongly advised that Laser works best on very coarse dark hair, such as pubic hair and NOT well on the very thin but DARK sideburn hairs. In the beginning I thought I had great resutls. By the 3rd and 4th session I was beginning to noitce WAY more hair per square inch appear in areas beyond treatment. For example, the laser was only administered close to my ear lobe and hair was stimulated going outward from the ear to the side of my cheek, and downward twords my lower jawline. After 8 sessions i quit, and let my hair grow in. I do not have PCOS. I know my body, I know my hair and LASER stimulated my hair growth. In my opinion, unless you have manly pubic hair on your face do NOT get laser on your face.


(I have had my lower back done with good results, and underarms down with amazing results from the same place, same technician.)


Edited by LeChatQuiChante (08/14/13 04:54 PM)

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#108392 - 08/15/13 05:08 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: LeChatQuiChante]
Evalegs Offline
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Registered: 08/12/13
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Originally Posted By: LeChatQuiChante
Gender: Female

Age: 27

Date you started treatment: 9/15/12

Hair color: Brown (dark brown)

Color of Skin: Olive, Caucasian Italian & Colombian

Hair Structure: Fine but Dark hair

Area(s) treated: Sideburns

Name of LASER or IPL : CandelaLASE

Treatment settings: Spot Size 18, wavelength 15, Pulse duration m/s 3, DCD 30/20

Skin reaction: Redness, small amount of swelling

Shedding? Yes

Did you report increased hair growth to your laser specialist? yes


When I began laser hair removal in NYC I was not correctly, or strongly advised that Laser works best on very coarse dark hair, such as pubic hair and NOT well on the very thin but DARK sideburn hairs. In the beginning I thought I had great resutls. By the 3rd and 4th session I was beginning to noitce WAY more hair per square inch appear in areas beyond treatment. For example, the laser was only administered close to my ear lobe and hair was stimulated going outward from the ear to the side of my cheek, and downward twords my lower jawline. After 8 sessions i quit, and let my hair grow in. I do not have PCOS. I know my body, I know my hair and LASER stimulated my hair growth. In my opinion, unless you have manly pubic hair on your face do NOT get laser on your face.


(I have had my lower back done with good results, and underarms down with amazing results from the same place, same technician.)


Just wondering if a technician can chime in on this but would it have something to do with the frequency of the "laser" light that is pulsed?

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#108393 - 08/15/13 06:44 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Evalegs]
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Quote:
Name of LASER or IPL : CandelaLASE

Treatment settings: Spot Size 18, wavelength 15, Pulse duration m/s 3, DCD 30/20


CandelaLASE isn't a laser, in which case I'm assuming you meant GentleLASE. Wavelength of 15 makes no sense (wavelength would be 755nm on that machine), so maybe you meant joules, except 15J doesn't exist on the GentleLase for 18mm spot size, so basically we don't know what the strength of the settings were.

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#108697 - 08/30/13 08:30 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
lyrical Offline
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Registered: 08/28/13
Posts: 77
Loc: Portugal
Gender: Female

Age: 26

Date you started treatment: Last year. However, the affected area (under the chin) was stimulated in 3 sessions only.

Hair color: Dark brown

Color of Skin (Skin type can be relative, so pictures are much better. It would be much better, and more scientific if we had clear photos of the area being treated before, and the same area after. Close up would be nice- so as to be able to clearly see the hair color and thickness): Pale. (I will try to update with pictures eventually)

Hair Structure: The hairs that "sprouted"? Some of them are thin and blond, others are thin and darker and a select few are a bit thicker.


Area(s) treated: Upper lip and chin. However, the area that resulted in trouble was the area under the chin, which they should have left alone to begin with since I had no hair there.

Name of LASER or IPL (Make, and model of laser, date of manufacture, and software revision- this will give a more clear indication of the particular system's capabilities.): Alexandrite laser by Candela

Treatment settings (Complete treatment parameters including Energy/cm2, pulse width, repetition rate, cooling method, spot size, and number of passes (if more than one).

I have no idea whatsoever. I was told it was set to the highest settings according to my skin type in the last session, though. What that is I have no idea.

Skin reaction: Fairly normal, thankfully. Some swelling and redness on the first day. Some minor red areas on the second day. Never had any trouble.

Shedding? There was some dark spots in the week after treatment.

Did you report increased hair growth to your laser specialist? Definitely and they gave all kinds of excuses: from being hormonal (gonna have some blood tests done just to confirm) from the age factor. I am 26 and never had any hair under my chin before these laser sessions.

Before and After pictures? I will update with the results. Unfortunately I don't have any close up of "before".

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#108709 - 08/31/13 03:41 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: lyrical]
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It is a good idea to have some consultation and test treatments at both clinics. Hopefully Josefa from Malaga will read this thread, she may have some knowledge of electrologists in Portugal.
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#108712 - 08/31/13 08:49 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: C O'Connell]
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Thank you for your reply.

After some more research yesterday I found another electrologist, one hour away from where I live. They have studied in Canada and they use the Apilus equipment, which I have watched a video of on Youtube someone linked to here in the forums. I am glad a solution is seeming ever more possible for this, I just need to be patient =)
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Diagnosed with Hashimoto thyroiditis in October 2013.
Taking 50 mg of Levothyroxine daily. Birth control pill Denille.

Victim of paradoxical hair stimulation by laser on chin area.

LHR (GentleLase):

8 sessions on upper lip. Fine dark hairs still visible.

1 session on underarms, bikini line, lower legs. Ongoing.

Electrolysis: started on November 30 2013. [Thermolysis] Chin area (black hair), cheeks (lighter hair slowly going terminal). Most hairs removed have white roots.

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#108713 - 08/31/13 09:16 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: lyrical]
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Here are some pictures I took of my chin. This is 7 weeks after laser:

http://tinypic.com/r/hv9yew/5

http://tinypic.com/r/iz2mbq/5

http://tinypic.com/r/20h7rky/5


Edited by lyrical (08/31/13 09:30 AM)
Edit Reason: ImageShack fails
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Female, 1987, PT. Fitzpatrick Scale: II. Mediterranean descendency.

Diagnosed with Hashimoto thyroiditis in October 2013.
Taking 50 mg of Levothyroxine daily. Birth control pill Denille.

Victim of paradoxical hair stimulation by laser on chin area.

LHR (GentleLase):

8 sessions on upper lip. Fine dark hairs still visible.

1 session on underarms, bikini line, lower legs. Ongoing.

Electrolysis: started on November 30 2013. [Thermolysis] Chin area (black hair), cheeks (lighter hair slowly going terminal). Most hairs removed have white roots.

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#108943 - 09/10/13 10:12 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: lyrical]
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Hard to tell much without "before" pictures.

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#109783 - 10/13/13 05:40 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: LAgirl]
Adam89 Offline
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Registered: 02/24/13
Posts: 3
Gender: Male

Age: 24

Date you started treatment: Febb 2013

Hair color: Black

Color of Skin: Brown

Hair Structure:

Area(s) treated: Back/ Shoulders/ Arms

Name of LASER or IPL: Nd: YAG

Treatment settings, if known:

Skin reaction:

Shedding? after 4/6 weeks

Did you report increased hair growth to your laser specialist?

I'm trying to figure it out

Before and After pictures?

Pre session 1:

http://s1017.photobucket.com/user/allthatjazz10/library/pre%20session%201

Pre session 2:

http://s1017.photobucket.com/user/allthatjazz10/library/pre%20session%202

Pre session 3:

http://s1017.photobucket.com/user/allthatjazz10/library/pre%20session%203

Other comments.


I'm considering whether I should go for another treatment session. I can say for sure that I have seen a reduction on my forearms (40%), however I believe that I may be experiencing induced hair growth on upper arms, and can't be sure about my back.

Any opinions to help me decide on whether to go for another appointment will be very helpful.
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#109784 - 10/13/13 06:21 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Adam89]
Mihai Offline
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Registered: 08/16/13
Posts: 9
Hi.

Adam89, what skin type are you?

Why did you used an ND:YAG and not an Alexandrite laser?

Do you know the settings that used on you (spot size, joules)?

Thx.

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#116565 - 12/16/14 10:00 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: prettysure]
Alex S. Offline
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Registered: 11/21/14
Posts: 11
Gender: Male

Age: 26

Date you started treatment: Feburary 2013

Hair color: Black facial hair, body hair; hair on my head is dark brown.

Color of Skin: Naturally, I'm Olive-skinned but very tanned since I lived in FL since '09.

Hair Structure: Not sure. My facial hairs are SOOO thick and close together. To make an illustration, imagine rubbing on sandpaper - that's what my hairs on my chin feel after a day or two of not shaving.

Area(s) treated: Face (cheeks, chin, jaw, neck)

Name of LASER or IPL: Candela

Treatment settings I'm unfamiliar with, but in regards to my problem (the chin hairs that can't be zapped) my technician goes over those spots twice!

Skin reaction: My face appears red for the rest of the day and I get small bumps, but it all disappears the following day at night. I have clear skin, thankfully.

Shedding? Nothing noticeable.

Did you report increased hair growth to your laser specialist? Oh, yeah.

Before and After pictures? I can't upload pictures here on my iPhone...

I first started treatments in Feburary 2013 at South Florida's only facility with a lifetime guarantee (unlimited treatments). I've done a total of twenty-one treatments and counting, to date, on my face and I'm still going. Before I started treatments, my whole face was basically sandpaper - now it's smooth as ever, except on my CHIN - there's two fairly large patches on both sides that are still sandpaper-like and thick, coarse hair that are dot-like and close together. It's like rubbing on sandpaper (my dad had the same issue).

Everywhere else on my face has proven successful, though I do feel stimulation on my mustache (stubbly hair that won't grow out), a few fine thin hairs that barely grow on the side of the cheek. At this point, I don't care if hairs grow back so long as it's fine hairs (though I'm skeptical if I shave, I'm back to square one). My main goal now is to get rid of those patchy areas on my chin. A lot of people think it's a birthmark, others seem shocked that I'm only able to grow hair on the side of my chin - this has forced me to always shave - my hairs grow back insanely fast.

I'm just learning the fundamentals of LHR and for years I've been so self-conscious of my own hairs that I've decided to make a career as a laser technician (I study alternative health). On February 2015, I'll be set for my first electrology appointments, let's hope that it can get rid of these hairs.



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#119147 - 08/10/15 10:41 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Female, late 20th.

Laser: GentleLase, spot size 20 mm, energy 12 j

Area: Chin

Never had any hair on my neck or on that area between the jaw line and the neck -- not sure about the terminology..) Stupid laser tech wanted to seem generous and in addition to my chin lasered the area under the chin and the portion of the neck. I stopped her when it was too late (the spot size was 20 mm and with just a few zips she covered a lot). Result: now I'm struggling with those ugly hair on my under-chin area which are very difficult to remove with electrolysis (hair grow in different weird directions and skin is so thin that the needle breaks it and the area bleeds...((

P.S.: Is there a "black list" of bad clinics on the website? -- I'd be glad to add that clinic (every treatment with them was a major screw up)

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#119154 - 08/11/15 03:47 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: jeannie17]
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Originally Posted By jeannie17
... ugly hair on my under-chin area which are very difficult to remove with electrolysis (hair grow in different weird directions and skin is so thin that the needle breaks it and the area bleeds...


There is a position of strong overstretching where this area can easily be reached. Not too comfortable (i know it also as a client of electrolysis), but highly efficient. No bleeding - which should only occur for at most a few stitches and is in most cases a mistake of the electrologist - and thanks to the stretching of the skin and the fact that it is thin the energy can often be greatly reduced without losing any efficiency.
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#119156 - 08/11/15 07:45 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: beate_r]
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Originally Posted By beate_r
No bleeding - which should only occur for at most a few stitches and is in most cases a mistake of the electrologist


Thank you! So it's most likely the electrologist's mistake? I suspected that she was probably doing some things wrong. I even created a separate topic www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/119155/chin:_weekly_treatment.html

Could you please explain what mistake is that? Is it the angle she inserts the needle at creates the bleeding or something else?

She also told me that she buys the cheapest needles that are not very good.

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#119174 - 08/18/15 06:26 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: jeannie17]
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No, there isn't a "black list" on bad clinics on this website.

Over the years we have heard these kind of complaints.

I tell my clients not to lase their faces and necks. Too risky for laser hair stimulation. Whatever hair is stimulated, though, can be treated permanently by an electrologist. People do resent spending more money and using their time to go through the electrolysis process, since they thought laser hair reduction would be the answer to their problem.

Sorry you had this happen to you.
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#119179 - 08/19/15 10:48 AM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
Helen1983 Offline
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Posts: 301
Laser is good for female hair legs bikini under arms, electrolyisis is good for male prone hair like upper lip chin around the nipples anything that is brought on by male testosterone or too little osetrogen.
Using temp meathods on these can end up stimulating the hair, electrolysis offers reduction not perminant unless you kill these hairs they will grow back more like weeds.

Another think to consider is the probe size electrolysis uses an extremely thin neddle to go into each individual hair follicle to kill it, when using a laser probe you are hitting area's where there are no hairs or the hair is too light in order to treat an area which has dark hair, those areas are going to get stimilated, this is why it needs to be a thick bushy area like bikini and legs under arm to work best.


Edited by Helen1983 (08/19/15 10:49 AM)

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#119181 - 08/19/15 11:08 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: Helen1983]
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A couple of short comments about your comments:


Originally Posted By Helen1983
............electrolysis offers reduction not perminant unless you kill these hairs they will grow back more like weeds.


Electrolysis is permanent, assuming electrolysis is being performed properly and the hair will not grow back like weeds.

Originally Posted By Helen1983
............ using a laser probe


Electrolysis process uses probes, not needles.
There are no laser probes. Laser uses a wand / tips.
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#121591 - 04/06/16 10:54 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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Loc: Columbus, Ohio


18 year old female
Receiving electrolysis now
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#121592 - 04/06/16 11:47 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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After several laser hair reduction treatments, the client reports a worsening condition of more hair than she began with.

Electrolysis process started :

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#123537 - 02/23/17 07:06 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
UseaRayGunonMe Offline
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Registered: 02/12/17
Posts: 4
Gender: Male

Age: 21

Date you started treatment: February 10, 2017

Hair color: Black

Color of Skin: White

Hair Structure: straight

Area(s) treated: Above beard line

Name of LASER or IPL : Cynosure, Alexandrite

Treatment settings : 14J, blows cold air

Skin reaction: It reacted pretty good and I have a sensitive skin

It's kinda early for before/after pics. A hair army has fallen yesterday. I pulled them off gently. It's been 14 days after 1st treatment
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#123538 - 02/23/17 09:52 PM Re: REPORT LASER HAIR STIMULATION [Re: dfahey]
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^ You posted in the wrong section. This is for people who have permanent side effect of more hair stimulation caused by laser treatments. You don't get laser hair stimulation 2 weeks after you started your treatments.

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