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#9767 - 04/04/04 08:16 AM Re: Can anyone recommend this machine?
James W. Walker VII Offline

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A 5 diopter lense is good enough to get the idea of the angle that the hair is exiting from the skin, and you can slide in alongside of the hair from there. What you are noticing through your 5 diopter lense is the reason why I and many other serious electrologists went to the expense of getting scopes. We wanted the best magnification and lighting to allow the most comfortable and accurate insertions. Five Diopter lenses also have a small working distance, and a small "sweet spot" for their focal point.

I think that most people who, like me have read both the Bono Book, and the Gior Book find the Bono Book more heavy on the how too of treatment settings. That is why we suggest that home users buy that one, even though I know the Gior Book is less expensive. If you had someone teaching you hands on, which text was utilized would not be as important. The Blend Method Book has charts graphs and illustrations on exactly this subject.

[ April 03, 2004, 12:19 PM: Message edited by: James W. Walker VII, CPE ]

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#9768 - 04/04/04 08:23 AM Re: Can anyone recommend this machine?
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They make an 8 diop lens for my lamp, would that make a significant difference?

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#9769 - 04/03/04 09:10 PM Re: Can anyone recommend this machine?
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Higher than 5 Diopter, and you start to get to where the working distance is so close to the skin that you may not have enough room to fit your hands and your tweezers, and stuff. I think the focal distance on a 10 diopter is about 6 inches. It is bending to see with equipment like this that makes practitioners utilizing these circle lamps have back problems.

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#9770 - 04/03/04 11:34 PM Re: Can anyone recommend this machine?
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The short working distance is bad enough. My issues with a five diopter lens, and even a three diopter lens, was that if one eye was looking at the pore in the center of the lens, the other eye was off axis, so the image the two eyes got was distinctly different. It drove me nuts unless I closed one eye, which was not a workable solution.

Also, the lens is heavy, and as a result the whole lamp bobs around for a bit should you accidentally nudge it.

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#9771 - 04/04/04 03:54 AM Re: Can anyone recommend this machine?
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DIY'er, could you tell me what you generally set the DC, RF, and timer settings at on your Uni-Probe for different areas of the body? Also could you tell me what process you use to start and work up to your desired settings? I would appreciate this very much.

Thanks, Jim

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#9772 - 04/11/04 10:03 PM Re: Can anyone recommend this machine?
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I have a few questions I am hoping someone can please answer for me:

I am reading about establishing the RF volt amount and epilation time for the blend method. It says:

"The starting point for RF is 40 volts. The RF will determine the treatment time necessary for each follicle. Threat three hairs of similar depth. Set only the RF intensity. Set the timer knob using the enclosed suggested guidelines for the type of hair. Insert the Uni-Probe into the hair follicle. Depress the footswitch and release. If the hair does not release within ten seconds, advance the RF knob by 5 volts. Proceed with similar hair. Average the seconds required to epilate three test hairs used for the ten second count."

I don't quite understand that. What do they mean "release within ten seconds"? Are they saying insert the uniprobe for ten seconds and increase the volts until you get proper epilation? If so, how would you know if the time is anything less than 10 seconds? Are you doing the electrolyis and tweezing the hair at the same time? I really don't understand this part.

I am getting so frusterated, can someone please help?

Also what does electrolyis feel like? Is the pain similar to just tweezing a hair or is it like a bee sting? Just so I know what to expect the first time...

Someone please help, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,
Jim

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#9773 - 04/11/04 11:05 PM Re: Can anyone recommend this machine?
James W. Walker VII Offline

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Michael Bono and many other "West Coast Offense" Electrologists utilize a two handed technique where the forceps/tweezers are used to grasp the hair and hold it up while the other hand inserts the probe and when the hair is properly treated, it will release and pop out of the follicle, leaving the probe all alone in the now hairless follicle.

Needless to say, this is difficult to do on yourself in many areas, but an electrolysis buddy would have no problem doing this.

What you should feel will range from nothing at all, to a warming sensation, to a tingling, to a burning, possibly stinging sensation. What you feel is very individual to the variables of your body, moisture count, caffine count (bad), technique, equipment used, and the part of the body worked on.

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#9774 - 04/11/04 11:19 PM Re: Can anyone recommend this machine?
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Ok, so the technique described in my manual must be using the two handed, like you said. So being that method isn't possible for me, what do I do instead to determine the RF and DC settings for the blend method? Please tell me if this is how I determine it...

Determine the RF setting (Thermolysis only):

Start at 40 volts, set timer to 2.0-2.5 seconds. Increase RF by 1/2 mark (5 volts) until proper epilation is acheived.

Is that right for setting the RF knob?

But then, how do I set the DC setting? They base is by dividing units of lye by the number of seconds required in a 10 count for proper epilation for the RF settings. Since I can't do the 10 count (two handed technqiue), what number do I use instead?

For example I am going to practice on my arms and the units of lye is 45. So it should be 45 divided by what to find the millampere settings?

So considering if I somehow use an alternative to the ten count to find the DC settings, please tell me if this would be correct:

RF Setting: Start at 40 volts, 2.0-2.5 seconds, work up by 5 volts to determine setting for each area.

DC: Divide units of lye in my recommended chart by estimated ten count (that I derive some alternative method) for the proper millamperes setting.

Timer: Keep in the 2.0-2.5 range.

Is that a correct method of making the right settings for each area?

If so, I guess the only thing left is to find an alternative to derive the avg. number of seconds based on a ten count. Or using a different method/equation to determine the millamperes/DC setting.

Any ideas Mr. Walker? I appreciate your help tremendously so far!

Thanks
Jim

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#9775 - 04/13/04 09:29 PM Re: Can anyone recommend this machine?
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So do you know how I can determine the DC setting for different areas?

DIY'er, feel free to post your thoughts, being that you have this same machine...

Thanks

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#9776 - 04/14/04 08:37 PM Re: Can anyone recommend this machine?
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So can anyone help me with setting the DC settings?

I tried my machine today for the first time and when I try to insert the needle into the follicle it's tough because my hands shaking so bad. Not because i'm nervious or anything, but that's just how I am. Is that normal. Can I still perform electrylsis on myself if when I insert the needle it's shaking back and forth? I don't know how else to steady my hand more, it's just how I am. It's hard to keep the needle at at a certain depth when it's bouncing all over the place. What can I do to stop that?

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