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#99364 - 06/11/12 01:56 AM Re: Lucky on the first try??!! (And possible log...) [Re: James W. Walker VII]
nahgem Offline
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Registered: 05/18/11
Posts: 23
Horaay, I received treatment from James for my upper lip and he actually showed me how big my bulbs were. I knew it wasn't plucking what I felt when he took the hairs out because my previous electrologist used to end up plucking a lot of my hair and the sensation was wildly different.

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#99401 - 06/13/12 08:20 PM Re: Lucky on the first try??!! (And possible log...) [Re: nahgem]
hooray Offline
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Registered: 05/11/12
Posts: 27
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Thank you for the responses James and nahgem. That is reassuring! James, I have heard you say many times there is a difference between a pop and pluck, but I was afraid I wasn't able to tell the difference, as I have been plucking for so long a pluck doesn't hurt at all anymore -- I'm really desensitized to it! I am however, now confident in my electrologists' abilities, so thank you very much!

I returned to new electrologist yesterday and achieved complete clearance of all areas. This is the first time I've had my whole face clear at the same time, and it feels pretty good! I still have a few bumps from the treatment but I don't think they're too noticeable.

My next appointment will be with my old electrologist, as I now know she's doing a good job, and she's so much closer to me than the other, even though she's slightly more expensive per unit of time (they both seem to work at about the same pace though).

I hope you guys don't mind me keeping my log here...I just know that when I was researching electrolysis, the logs were what helped and interested me the most. Hopefully I can return the favour to others!
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#99402 - 06/13/12 09:07 PM Re: Lucky on the first try??!! (And possible log...) [Re: hooray]
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#99404 - 06/14/12 12:26 PM Re: Lucky on the first try??!! (And possible log...) [Re: James W. Walker VII]
mam91 Offline
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Registered: 04/25/12
Posts: 62
Loc: canada
So James,i have a question for you.The electrologist i met uses apilus platinum machine and she uses picoflash modality.She said about 90 of my hair are J shaped.Also she treats other black people.Please with this modality,how long do you think,it would take for me to be done with hair removal.I havent waxed the areas i have treated just a few shaving and laser which has lightened the hair.I have left my hair( both induced and treated)grow back for 3months.
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#99412 - 06/14/12 06:42 PM Re: Lucky on the first try??!! (And possible log...) [Re: hooray]
stoppit&tidyup Offline
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Registered: 05/04/08
Posts: 1806
Loc: London, UK
I have to disagree with some of the opinions given here. I'm not trying to cause a controversy, my intention is to help people get the best treatment they can.

I will reiterate what I said before. In my 13 hours with Josefa and my sister's 20 hours, neither of us felt anything like a 'pop' or even the slightest resistance (one can see her videos where hairs are slid out using the fingers to see how easily they are removed). Every hair extraction, no matter the type or location slipped out. We both had electrolysis before - myself with a number of practitioners - and this 'pop' feeling was common. It's only when you have a 'perfect' treatment that you can recognise the previous shortfalls.

Now, we have plenty of evidence of Josefa's effectiveness (as representative of every other electrologist who treats to kill every follicle). Every hair treated is killed. Proving all hair is present, 90% or more of the total hair is removed in 2 clearances.

I'm not sure if this level is possible to achieve by every electrologist (I'm sure there is a large component of innate skill) but the point is that we should strive to give the client the best treatment possible in regards to permanently killing hairs. They will be done in a shorter total treatment time (thanks to Mr. Bono for highlighting TTT) and there will be fewer follicles which need re-treating - again, something which should be better for the skin of the client providing the electrologist is not overtreating in the first place.

All the fancy equipment is useless if the goal of permanent hair removal is not achieved more readily than without it. Machines like the Apilus Platinum and usage of probes like the IBP allow for the realisation of highly effective work with minimal skin damage. Let's keep learning until we get there.

For the clients, if the best you can find is an electrologist where you feel the occasional 'pop' don't worry, you can still complete your work. But if you can keep searching, it will be worth your time and money in the long term to find the most effective electrologist you can.
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31/F/UK
Laser for reduction on Underarms, Bikini, Full Legs & 3/4 Arms. Skin type IV
Electrolysis - Further details in: My sister's electrolysis diary
[27hrs of Blend, April 2008-Dec 2010 in UK, for coarse hair on lower sideburns, coarse chin hair, completed upper lip, shaped eyebrows]
[Sept 2011 to date, once yearly sessions with Josefa. Completed reduction of facial/neck fuzz in approx 27 hrs TTT]

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#99416 - 06/14/12 09:30 PM Re: Lucky on the first try??!! (And possible log...) [Re: stoppit&tidyup]
Michael Bono Offline

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Registered: 01/11/11
Posts: 3184
Loc: Santa Barbara, CA USA
Ditto ... I do NOT "get" the pop vs. (I forgot the term). I've never seen a bulb so big that it "struggled" to get out of the follicle. Okay, maybe in my next 36 years of doing this?

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#99417 - 06/14/12 09:53 PM Re: Lucky on the first try??!! (And possible log...) [Re: Michael Bono]
stoppit&tidyup Offline
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Loc: London, UK
Phew... thanks Michael.

I tentatively made the above post as I don't want to spread incorrect information. It is just based on my experience with electrolysis.
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31/F/UK
Laser for reduction on Underarms, Bikini, Full Legs & 3/4 Arms. Skin type IV
Electrolysis - Further details in: My sister's electrolysis diary
[27hrs of Blend, April 2008-Dec 2010 in UK, for coarse hair on lower sideburns, coarse chin hair, completed upper lip, shaped eyebrows]
[Sept 2011 to date, once yearly sessions with Josefa. Completed reduction of facial/neck fuzz in approx 27 hrs TTT]

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#99419 - 06/14/12 11:05 PM Re: Lucky on the first try??!! (And possible log...) [Re: stoppit&tidyup]
smurf Offline
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Registered: 07/06/09
Posts: 136
Loc: London
Once or twice, I've heard something liquid-y 'popping' during/straight after the follicle was treated, but I've never associated that word with the extraction of hair itself. I don't know how to describe it (the image that comes to mind is of chemical reactions in chemistry labs and a bubbly of hot liquid popping'), but I, of course, don't think that's reflective of bad treatment!

James - I'm somewhat guilty of that. Equally, I find it frustrating that certain topics are kept hush-hush around here. Makes it difficult to give an honest appraisal of one's own experience and to assist others in order for them to have realistic expectations.
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#99420 - 06/14/12 11:22 PM Re: Lucky on the first try??!! (And possible log...) [Re: smurf]
Caith721 Offline

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Registered: 11/26/10
Posts: 349
Loc: Charlotte, NC, US
I would not call them 'pops' but I could definitely feel a bit of resistance when many of my deepest whiskers were first being removed. It was not plucking because there was no pain and the resistance was very shallow. The size of the bulbs was significantly larger than the hairs themselves, which was really surprising to me at the time.
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M, 54y, average-to-light beard: brown, red, blonde, grey, white
Electrolysis of upper and lower lips and chin
Started late November 2010

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#99421 - 06/14/12 11:26 PM Re: Lucky on the first try??!! (And possible log...) [Re: Caith721]
stoppit&tidyup Offline
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Registered: 05/04/08
Posts: 1806
Loc: London, UK
I think I'm going to keep saying it... resistance = incomplete treatment. The follicle will produce a hair again.

I've never felt an actual pluck either from my first electrologist. But evidently, there were lots of follicles not being fully treated - otherwise my upper lip would not have taken 18 months to complete.
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31/F/UK
Laser for reduction on Underarms, Bikini, Full Legs & 3/4 Arms. Skin type IV
Electrolysis - Further details in: My sister's electrolysis diary
[27hrs of Blend, April 2008-Dec 2010 in UK, for coarse hair on lower sideburns, coarse chin hair, completed upper lip, shaped eyebrows]
[Sept 2011 to date, once yearly sessions with Josefa. Completed reduction of facial/neck fuzz in approx 27 hrs TTT]

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