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#99952 - 07/04/12 05:54 PM Mantaray:Medlite Prisma 3.5x & lighting ?s
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Hey all,

I did some research last night for loupes & read through a lot of Mantaray's posts who has written extensively about his DIY experience. I am impressed that this person who is a doctor was able to do so much on his own, & has given me hope and inspiration for solo DIY! Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that Mantaray frequents these boards these days as he said that time is better spend electrolyzing!

Anyways, I'm looking at either the Medlite Prisma 3.5x or the regular Medlite 3.5x (the Prisma is $100 more expensive) & the main differences are that the Prisma has an adjustable working distance of 13.7", 17", or 21.7" & field of view of 3.8"~4.5" whereas the regular Medlite has a fixed working distance & field of view of 2.1"~2.5".

1) Is the adjustable working distance worth it (if not I would probably go with the 17") with the larger field of view especially for $100 more?

2) Are "Prisma" prismatic lens a higher quality lens i.e. with resolution, clarity, etc.?

Edit:
With Galilean Loupes the image is sharpest within the central circle. Galilean Loupes are lightweight, affordable and easy to use.

Prismatic or Keplerian Loupes or Class IV Loupes are based on the Keplerian Design named after Johannes Kepler, the 17 Century astronomer. The Loupe consists of a compound system of several lenses. The advantages of prismatic lenses are a superior resolution over Galilean equivalents throughout the field of vision. Since there are more lenses in prismatic loupes they have longer telescopes and tend to be slightly heavier.


3) I want to go with the 3.5x, but is the 4.5x better or is it just overkill for DIY work? Most people here seem to like 2.5-3.5x range though most seem to like the 3.5x more.
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Regarding lighting do I really need a loupe light to go with the Medlite loupe or should I just get a regular lamp? Some of these loupe lights are hitting $1000+!!!

Mantaray didn't really specify what type of lighting system he uses though I think he bought some cheap LED headband light from a retail store in conjunction with a halogen lamp?

What are some good bang for the buck (not too cheap and not too expensive) loupe lights/lamps/etc. that you guys recommend for DIY body work?

Thanks,
Taco

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#99953 - 07/04/12 07:09 PM Re: Mantaray:Medlite Prisma 3.5x & lighting ?s [Re: Taco]
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I use a surgical telescope just like these. Do not go higher than 3.5X ... you drop depth of field the higher you go, and you do NOT need more magnification than, say, 2.5 - 3.0. (I use a 2.6X)

I also got the fiber-optic clip-on lamp (more than $1,000) and it is a total waste of money ... You want the thing? You can have it for free! Not enough light and it gets in your way. I use a dental lamp from Belmont/Takara ... just got a new one 3 months ago. The new dental lamps are okay, but I somewhat prefer my old one that "broke" after 20+ years. The sturdy steel is now lightweight plastic; sort of flimsy. Not bad though: Price was $2,000.

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#99954 - 07/04/12 07:45 PM Re: Mantaray:Medlite Prisma 3.5x & lighting ?s [Re: Michael Bono]
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On second thought, maybe mine aren't exactly like the ones you are showing. I paid about $1,000 for mine and these are only $200?

Hummmm, maybe a bit "different?"

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#99955 - 07/04/12 08:11 PM Re: Mantaray:Medlite Prisma 3.5x & lighting ?s [Re: Michael Bono]
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Hummmm, maybe a bit "different?"


I bought Medlite's Prisma 4.5 pair. Obviously one should not expect a "Made in the USA" stamp for that money but... they're ok. grin

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#99957 - 07/04/12 09:19 PM Re: Mantaray:Medlite Prisma 3.5x & lighting ?s [Re: notadelphin]
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I do a lot of peach fuzz cases. I couldn't survive without custom made telescopic surgical loupes. My magnification is close to 5X and my working distance varies between 13" and 16". I own a pair of 2.5x, but they are not helpful for my vellus hair cases. Useless.

Cost for my loupes - $2,000. Worth every penny. No headaches or eyestrain after a 10 hour day. Ergonomically wonderful for the body. It is like looking into the secret world of hair.
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#99958 - 07/04/12 09:33 PM Re: Mantaray:Medlite Prisma 3.5x & lighting ?s [Re: Michael Bono]
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Originally Posted By: Michael Bono
I also got the fiber-optic clip-on lamp (more than $1,000) and it is a total waste of money ... You want the thing? You can have it for free! Not enough light and it gets in your way.


Ha ha sure. I can pay some money for it too as I don't want to trouble you.

Originally Posted By: Michael Bono
On second thought, maybe mine aren't exactly like the ones you are showing. I paid about $1,000 for mine and these are only $200?

Hummmm, maybe a bit "different?"


They seem to get good reviews from dental students

They're about $300 for the regular Medlite 3.5s & $400 for the Medlite Prisma 3.5s. Still a lot cheaper than the fancier Orascoptics. It seems for general use the Medlites are good (no distortion, blurring on edges, etc.) like a Honda Accord or Camry (whereas the Orascoptics are like a BMW, then you have the stereo microscopes like James Walker has which are like the Porsches in the optics world.

Originally Posted By: Michael Bono
The new dental lamps are okay, but I somewhat prefer my old one that "broke" after 20+ years. The sturdy steel is now lightweight plastic; sort of flimsy. Not bad though: Price was $2,000.


Hmmm... maybe the older lamps are better. A lot of things these days are lower quality than things in the past by using cheap brittle plastic to cut costs. My step-dad actually has this retro dental lamp from the 70s that may actually prove to be useful (& to think that we were about to throw away all his old equipment!)

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#99960 - 07/04/12 09:50 PM Re: Mantaray:Medlite Prisma 3.5x & lighting ?s [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: dfahey
I do a lot of peach fuzz cases. I couldn't survive without custom made telescopic surgical loupes. My magnification is close to 5X and my working distance varies between 13" and 16". I own a pair of 2.5x, but they are not helpful for my vellus hair cases. Useless. Cost for my loupes - $2,000. Worth every penny. No headaches or eyestrain after a 10 hour day. Ergonomically wonderful for the body. It is like looking into the secret world of hair.


Do you think that people who are shorter with shorter limbs find the shorter working distances more comfortable?

I'm not too worried about vellus hair, but I can understand if some people do. I don't know why people care so much about vellus; I think it actually looks natural & innocuous. Coarse hairs are all I care about though.

Originally Posted By: dfahey
Cost for my loupes - $2,000.


I think if you're a student they offer big discounts on the Orascoptics, but even then they're $$$.



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#99961 - 07/04/12 10:36 PM Re: Mantaray:Medlite Prisma 3.5x & lighting ?s [Re: Taco]
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Students get about half off from Orascoptic, with three easy payments, unless they changed that generous offering. my 2.5 X's cost $1,200, but I got them for $600 as a student.

People worry about vellus hair that is too long and that may stick out. Most don't care about the smaller vellus hairs that lay close and follow the contour of the skin. Those that want every hair gone will never achieve that goal of being hair-free because a womans facial hair is not always stable. I never belittle or shame the clients who wants these hairs treated. If i can see them, I work in a determined manner to give them the service they pay for. So, it is the job of the electrologist to explain and be honest about the clients unrealistic expectations of being hair-free for this kind of facial hair. Do it early and often until they verbalize that they understand.

I have a picture to post later in regard to the kind of vellus hair I frequently work on. To me, it's easy to see and treat, but it does take a lot of effort and time to tame the little beasts.


Edited by dfahey (07/04/12 10:53 PM)
Edit Reason: More thoughts
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#99962 - 07/04/12 10:53 PM Re: Mantaray:Medlite Prisma 3.5x & lighting ?s [Re: ]
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Oh, just checked and I'm using the 3.6X these work great for me.

I have to "hand it" to Dee ... those "vellus hairs" are my Kryptonite.

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#99966 - 07/05/12 08:48 AM Re: Mantaray:Medlite Prisma 3.5x & lighting ?s [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: dfahey
I have a picture to post later in regard to the kind of vellus hair I frequently work on. To me, it's easy to see and treat, but it does take a lot of effort and time to tame the little beasts.

Waiting for it with a great interest!

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