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#19845 - 11/04/04 10:34 AM skin damage by electolysis *****
Vanessa80 Offline
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is it possible that electrolysis leaves scars on the skin?
my mother had had electrolysis on the hair above her lips for a year and saw no hair reduction at all. she did alexandrite laser and hair were reduced considerably after 3 treatments. why electrolysis didnt work? is local anaesthesia needed to reduce the amount of pain? my mum told me it hurt alot.

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#19846 - 11/04/04 03:07 PM Re: skin damage by electolysis
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Electrolysis done well leaves nothing but smooth hairless skin. When done properly under the best of conditions, it is comfortable, or at least tolerable. In the worst of situations, it is really painful, leaves pits and doesn't remove enough hairs per visit to give any noticeable result.

If your mother never got full clearance on her lip once, she would not notice any change, although there was one with even a small amount of work done.

This is just one reason why we say that one must get as many sample treatments and consultations as possible so that one chooses the best electrologist to do your work.

As for numbing, most people with a good electrologist can get by with no more than a topical. Some people either get a shot from a dentist prior to treatment, or an injection from some other professional depending on what is available where you are.

I stress that in most situations, this should not be needed on a face job.
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#19847 - 11/04/04 04:40 PM Re: skin damage by electolysis
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i found an electrologist in my area, he is using a method called "BLEND". what kind of method is that? would you recommend it?

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#19848 - 11/05/04 01:28 PM Re: skin damage by electolysis
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Please go to our sister site www.HairFacts.com and look up Blend and for that matter the other forms of electrolysis, Thermolysis and Galvanic.

In short Blend is the combination of Galvanic currents with Radio Frequency Thermolysis in order to get the best of both worlds. It is slower than Thermolysis, but, faster than Galvanic. If you are not working on a really large job and you can get to first clearance quickly, you will be happy at how fast you get to completion with little regrowth.

Like anything, you need to find a well skilled electrologist to make sure that you are buying the skin you want to live with the rest of your life.
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#19849 - 11/11/04 01:59 AM Re: skin damage by electolysis
ants Offline
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is it possible that electrolysis leaves scars on the skin?


yes. it is possible.
As a client, my answer on leaving scars would be more fair than answers from electrologists.

If you do not keep the area clean after the treatment, you might get inflection, and hence very likely to have permanent scars.
If your electrologist does not clear the area properly or does not use clean probes, and you will be in high chance of getting inflection.
Now, for those who have darker skin tones, it is likely to have noticeable pigmentation changes. Those pigmentation might last for months.
And if you develop scabs, and scratch those scabs, permanent scars are very likely to result.

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she did alexandrite laser and hair were reduced considerably after 3 treatments. why electrolysis didnt work?



Another great example of electrolysis is not 100% guaranteed, as a number of posters in this forum like to spread such wrong impression.
Electrolysis is not suitable for everybody, just like laser may not work on every single individual.
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#19850 - 11/11/04 02:30 AM Re: skin damage by electolysis
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As I was about to reply that neither I, nor my most experienced friends had ever found a hair removal problem we could not tackle had we been given the time and effort on the part of both the client and practitioner, I realized that I have found two cases that were not possible even for me to treat.

1.) A lady with a hair growing out of her third eyelid (that red dot in the corners of your eyes) that was too far in for me to find a way to hold it immobile, at the correct angle, and treat it at the same time.

and

2.) A post operative transexual with hair in the Neo-Vaginal Walls.

So there you go, I admitted it. Even I can't do everything.
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#19851 - 11/11/04 04:27 AM Re: skin damage by electolysis
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Allow me to point out, there are a number of people who had electrolysis, and did not work on them.
However, there are also people who do not have good results with Laser... the major difference is that a number of electrologists are making a big news base on that. (Not referring to you James.)
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#19852 - 11/11/04 05:38 PM Re: skin damage by electolysis
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Ants:

I'd be curious to know the circumstances of those clients that you report electrolysis did not work for. A motivated client coupled with a competent electrologist, spells doom and disaster for ANY hair follice. If one or the other side fails to do their job correctly, of course, electrolysis will not work! In other words, it is not the fault of the actual electrolysis proceedure.

Electrolysis DOES work 100% of the time if you think in terms of both the client and electrologist doing their parts correctly. Mistakes on either side will not bring success. In a few cases, we're talking about an internal hormonal environment that can stimultate tons of hair follicles, and you can hardly blame electrolysis for not working. How do you keep up with hair growing in faster than you can remove it? Remember,there are 500-1,000 hair follicles per SQUARE INCH on the face!

I'm sure you understand, ants, that obstacles cause preceived notions that electrolysis doesn't work. To say it doesn't work on some people would make me want to delve into the client's behavior, the practioner's knowledge and ability, and the hormonal happenings in that client's body.

Dee
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#19853 - 11/15/04 07:24 AM Re: skin damage by electolysis
Vanessa80 Offline
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so, for fine light brown hair on face (sideburns & cheeks) which of the those 3 methods would be in your opinion more appropriate? i am also concerned, does electrolysis works at all for fine facial hair or is it like lasers where the ideal type of hair to treat is thick, dark hair?

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#19854 - 11/15/04 03:25 PM Re: skin damage by electolysis
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For what you describe as fine facial hair, I would use the modality in electrolysis we call thermolysis (heat only). It is quicker than blend and would provide enough energy to remove the type of hair you describe. I would instruct the electrologist to remove only the hair that can be seen readily by the person standing next to you and to leave the finer, shorter hairs alone.

Electrolysis works permanently on ALL hair colors and ALL skin colors. That is why it is described as the gold standard for hair removal. Frequently, I am asked to to remove the hairs that laser can't and never will be effective on. You just need to put in the time when you find a good electrologist that leaves your skin smooth and undamaged.

Dee
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Licensed by the State Medical Board of Ohio for Nursing license and Cosmetic Therapy/Electrolysis license
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ELECTROLYSIS FAQ'S:

British Institute & Association of Electrolysis

http://www.electrolysis.co.uk/?page_id=16

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