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#127034 - 06/17/18 05:38 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
Iluv2zap Offline
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Ok let me explain a little more fully.

Josepha follows an entire protocol for this kind of work.It's based on what she has found to work.

I am assuming, maybe incorrectly, that she did blend on this client? If so she would be leaving heated lye in the follicle post treatment in addition to having dispersed enough energy to adequately release the hair. She would treat that hair ferociously, in her words "like it's the only hair that is important" . She would use a specific probe ( which I wont mention because I dont endorse that makers products) . She would prohibit the client from shaving or doing anything else to the hair for 6 months before.She would carefully control the timing between treatments. This and more, adds to the "recipe" that is that "protocol".
My question to you is this, can anyone, following that recipe that she has developed over 35 years, attain the same results as she does? Working with skill and accuracy?

The fact is, anyone, doing the same things, can accomplish the same results. But most/many refuse to even try.If you never try something, then you wont ever accomplish it.

And I'm sorry, the multiple depth technique , ( the multiple pulses at different depth of insertion) while a useful technique, does not hold up to the kill rate of accurate insertions to begin with.This is a skill that Josepha has in spades. Having watched countless hours of her working with an electrolysis probe I can tell you that her instincts are excellent ( spot on) and this is something you dont accomplish without great experience.
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#127036 - 06/17/18 08:06 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: Iluv2zap]
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It was said that both cases (the feet and the 2 clearances on the face) were thermolysis!

For the feet example, one single appointment of 72min was needed to remove almost every single hair, there are like 5 remaining in the ''after'' pic. That is literally a 90% (or more) kill rate, or should I even dare to say 100% if we assume that not all hairs were present at the time of the treatment (could very well be possible). Either way, let's agree that it was an almost perfect treatment and outcome. Not 3 or 10 appointments, ONE. Let's assume the worse and say that NARMA had trimmed the hair during those 6 months (he stated he already trimmed it, but unknown if it was during those months prior to his treatment), worst case scenario (considering the very thin variables of this case) would be 2 clearances instead of 1, with the same total time, 72min!!!!

And I hate to be falling into Josefa's narrative that I'm ''poking'' Michael by always reminding everyone that her treatments are ''miraculous'', but, let's face it, it pretty much can't get any better in terms of outcome, that's just a damn fact.

For the face example, the client didn't shave for 2 weeks before the appointment, nothing special there, and I quote:

Originally Posted By Josefa M. Reina
Since this first clearance occurred about 2 weeks after the last shave. And since this time frame is insufficient for most of the telogenic hairs (20% according to some experts in trichology) to be visible / treatable, it seems plausible that more than 60% of the hairs of this male beard were not present at the beginning of the treatments.


The point is that an almost perfect kill rate is observed here too, with only 2 clearances, we can notice a significant reduction ON A DAMN MALE BEARD, you know, that thing everyone says it takes so much time to complete for whatever reason? As opposed to 1 clearance for the feet, and that's because the face had a much higher % of hidden hairs! And not only that, but according to that quote, I can only assume that more hairs could've been treated if the beard was untouched for a longer period of time prior to the appointment. Same, yet amazingly low, TTT too (46h)!

While I understand the timings and protocols are important, these 2 cases don't really present anything special, wouldn't you say? And if those cases worked extremely well, it's safe to assume similar cases WITH followed protocols should at the very least be just as effective, no? But where is the fucking improvement when there's already a near-perfect kill rate, it might subtract 1 or 2 clearances depending on % of visible hairs, but it changes absolutely nothing to the TTT.

So can this really be duplicated? If so, good! I wanna figure out how exactly, damn it. And it's what I've been trying to do! I know, I know, there will always be some parts that can't be certain or explained.


Edited by zapmyface (06/17/18 08:21 PM)

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#127037 - 06/17/18 08:40 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: zapmyface]
Iluv2zap Offline
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Originally Posted By zapmyface
It was said that both cases (the feet and the 2 clearances on the face) were thermolysis!


So can this really be duplicated? If so, good! I wanna figure out how exactly, damn it. And it's what I've been trying to do! I know, I know, there will always be some parts that can't be certain or explained.


You're right, I apparently had forgotten that tidbit. Josepha got known for doing mostly fast blend, but I've recently determined she works just as often in strait thermolysis. There's more proof for you, that modality doesnt matter.


And yes it can be duplicated. actually I near drove myself crazy trying to do exactly that back in the day, what exactly is the recipe? But in reality, you dont have enough knowledge to duplicate it, and we cant really teach you, without you having that firm base of knowledge. I can tell you it's all a process of stacking the odds in your favour, in every avenueand with every decision about the treatment.
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#127042 - 06/18/18 02:49 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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I didn't necessarily mean myself doing the zapping, I can technically ''make'' someone do it too. And I kinda have already (4h on my face test to see the regrowth, I've shown you pics of this already). Like you said I don't think modality or ''settings'' are a major factor, as long as the hair slides well it should be the same, right? Unless cranking up the current would have a much positive effect that can actually DIVIDE THE TTT BY A FEW NUMBERS.

As much as I would like to believe that it can be duplicated, it hasn't even come close, yet all the right odds seemed to have been ''stacked in my favour'' in the test too (asked many questions about this). I've said it many times before, I never thought my electrologist was crap, she's done this for 20 years and has lots of references in the trans community here! So why does it take Josefa literally one clearance on the face to accomplish what mine does in AT LEAST 5? And yes, that's a MULTIPLICATION OF 5 TIMES THE TTT too. Considering both electrologists are doing pretty much the same correct things with a baggage of experience on their hand, what makes the difference THIS great? Understand that I wouldn't even care if it was more or less a few hours, but we're talking about a multiplication here.

Please, please, please tell me you're understanding my obsession with this here. And thank you for not taking offence in anything I've said too, I really do appreciate it. I know this is a touchy subject.

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#127045 - 06/18/18 09:52 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: zapmyface]
Josefa M. Reina Offline
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Zapmyface, I'm going to send you a private message, but please, stop insisting or you'll go crazy. There are people who work the same or better than me, but because of your demand background (which I do not blame you) or because of your high expectations (induced by some of my cases) they are being extremely cautious and conservative in the treatments.

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#127047 - 06/18/18 10:28 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
Iluv2zap Offline
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I'm not frustrated or upset.
LEt Josepha talk to you. She's very correct that driving yourself crazy over this is not healthy.

Seana
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#127048 - 06/18/18 10:50 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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Let’s say you need surgery and have a choice between 2 doctors. One offering a 90% chance of success but seems to be very ‘’out of reach’’ and the other only a 60% chance, but conveniently placed near your place and ready for it, what would you do? Accept that the lesser choice is what you’re only gonna get, or try to have the best possible treatment?

Maybe I’m going at it the wrong way by trying to understand HOW the best treatment are possible, but the goal is the same. Please don’t mistake my thirst for knowledge for some accusatory unhealthy obsession. I’ll gladly be waiting for that PM!

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#127049 - 06/18/18 01:43 PM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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#127053 - 06/19/18 01:21 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
zapmyface Offline
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LOL, I wanna be that lady who needs to ''drop dead''!

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#127055 - 06/19/18 08:16 AM Re: Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached [Re: NARMA2018]
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Best line, if you watched 'til the end, is:

"No matter how we figured it, somebody didn't like how we figured it ... so, now it's 'every man ... including the old bag ... for himself'!"

A good sense of humor cures everything.


Edited by Michael Bono (06/19/18 08:17 AM)

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