These were fairly thin hairs, as they have all been treated by laser on my left half. I guess there’s no way to tell the efficacy until 4-5 months out trying it. My skin reacted the same way as normal thermolysis–bumpy and lymphatic fluid.
bryce,
Thanks for this thread. I went to the clinic that you used for laser hair removal, and had one treatment for beard using Yag at 22J, 30ms, 18mm spot. I applied EMLA before the treatment, but didn’t help much as it was very painful. I am type IV to type V as per them.
The staff at this clinic is friendly, the operator knowledgeable, and pricing is fair with deep discounts for new customers on certain procedures.
Just a quick update. I’ve been seeing Robin Harris in West LA for about 10 hours. She is much more expensive than my old practitioner, but I have to say, I think it could be worth it because (1) the pain is very tolerable and (2) I have much less skin reaction. My best hope is that it will wind up being similar in cost to my old practitioner because she’s more accurate and the laser thinned out my hair. I will post pictures soon of the laser hair regrowth around 3 months from the last laser treatment. It’s all back, but thinner.
Pictures say more than words on paper:
May 2007: No treatment on left side. In the middle of clearing right side with electrolysis.
January 2009: 3 months after the last of 6 treatments with laser hair reduction on the left side. 15 months after the last electrolysis treatment on the right side.
January 2009: Close-up
Will continue to keep the community apprised as I progress. My left shoulder is now clear and we are moving into the upkeep stage. We are beginning to clear the upper left back now, in little strips as we have time.
Bryce is absolutely breathtaking!. He has left you well demonstrated the great difference in what you can expect from each permanent removal system. [color:#990000]Electrolysis is unrivaled. [/color]Congratulations
Recall, however, that the purpose of the experiment was in part a cost comparison. It could still very well turn out that LHR+electrolysis (left side) is the better deal because (a) each hair was thinner and therefore takes fewer insertions per kill and (b) is more tolerable because it takes less current. We will see in the next 18 months. This will have been a 5 year project. Wow.
Bryce is very common that when a person begins an experiment accidentally discover things not sought. I have not yet managed to translate all written in this post, so I am missing some data. However, the images that you so graciously bestowed us not leave much room for doubt. They are truly eloquent. I congratulate you again for the rigor of his experiment, I think these pictures should be published in all media specializing in permanent hair removal.
On the other hand, I think you have not thought about a small detail, that each hair is thinner does not mean fewer insertions. Unless they are as thin as the hair of a Peach, the inserts are the same as for thick hair. Since the right side you have the area cleared of hair carefully, you will not settle for less on the left side.
I suppose this has already been said by my colleagues Hairtell, but the total cost of treatment can not be subject to study because every electrologist works at a different speed. While the cost depends on time and not the number of hairs treated, no one can get a reliable and objective conclusion. What can cost you remove the hair on her back to someone else in other hands can cost half or double or triple.
As for tolerance, I imagine you must be an expert on this subject. However I can assure you that the more superficial than the hair (hair thinner) more annoying because hair follicles are most innervated. The good news is that it also occurs before the analgesic effect that has the electrolysis (if you do not know I can explain another time). In any case you are right, thicker hair, longer application of current. Unless you have a wonderful Apilus Platinum or a machine with blend of DC 2 mA.
Yes, it is unfortunate that the practitioner who did my right side died. I was trying to keep the practitioner constant across both sides, so that skill would not affect the outcome. The experiment will always have that flaw now.
Thanks for the pictures and keeping up with this. This is great!
Can you please remind what your settings and shedding was like as well as spacing of treatments when treated with GentleLASE? (You’re getting treated with the GentleMAX machine still? If so, pulse width is adjustable, so it would help to have that too in addition to spot size and joules).
Oh Bryce! my sincere condolences. The good electrologist short supply. It is a sad news for you and all customers were left without completing their treatment. But you think is imprinted with the legacy of his good work. It’s like signing a good painter. Always remain in your skin. Greetings
Muchas gracias, pero nada que decir cuando alguien se muerte. Eso es, y yo buscando un electrologist muy excelente cerca mi casa. En realidad, ella Robin Harris esta el profesor de mi electrologist primera, Mary Albrecht.
Bryce, es usted muy amable por haberme evitado la molestia de traducir. Gracias
I have been looking closely at their pictures and I must say that based on my observations:
on the right:
The hair that you believe is less long, has not yet finished growing. All are in anagen phase, therefore grow even during a good season. Laser is shown to lengthen the natural hair cycle.
At the top of his back thickness of your hair is much higher than the hairs of the middle of his back. In this area of hair reduction (theoretically) should have been much higher. It is not the case.
The hair density is identically proportional to the density of small crusts observed in the left side. Therefore the cost of the laser should you add the cost for future electrolysis.
I do not intend to discourage you, I just want to anticipate what you will see in the coming months. My advice is do not waste more money and go for what you know will yield guarantee of success, the electrolysis.
I forgot to tell you that you must add a surcharge to the total cost of the right side. Because on that side of the back usually develop more hair than on the left side. Armpits, groin area and breasts, are areas where the difference is very clear.
Bryce, its been 2 and a half years, how many treatments is this and still no results? I dont have time to read thru all the pages right now, but I wanna know if you have achieved ANY permanent hair removal on any spot on your body so far?
I dont even wanna know how much all of this cost.
I will let Bryce speak for himself, but he certainly got some results for his 2 years of work.
If you doubt that results can be had, look at my before and after page. Before and After: Executive Clearance Electrolysis the second person on the page, Amber L Dobeisz was transformed in 12 months, and 100 hours. We never missed am appointment, and the skin looked finished from the time of the first clearance on to the last touch up.
Wow, Murach.
I don’t have time to reply to your question if you don’t have time to at least browse through what I’ve written. I’ve been meticulous, provided pictures, and given timely updates.
I wish a mod could delete that post. It just makes it more difficult for others to read the thread.
Now you know how the mods feel when someone comes on and says something like, “I am sure you have answered this question before, but I ain’t gonna even try to find the answer. Just tell me everything there is to know about hair removal. I want to be able to read this one forum post and learn enough to pass the CPE, State Licensing Exam, and the exit test for the weekend L.A.S.E.R. course.”
This post is usually followed by another that says, “Why hasn’t anyone answered my post yet! Its been 15 whole minutes already! You guys are falling down on the job. I am giving you bad customer service reviews if this doesn’t pick up.”
Murach’s an 18 y/o white male who has lived a privileged life (privileged with information I mean, not necessarily money or whatever) because of the internet. Kids these days just expect a TL;DR summary of whatever they want to know (TL;DR is a popular meme that means “too long; didn’t read” and is meant to precede a brief summary of the post).
I don’t blame him for being a product of his culture and I don’t think he meant to sound so rude, but I think it’s not too much trouble to just read Bryce’s posts and skip any others. That shouldn’t take too long.
I give him the benefit of the doubt though since he added “right now” which implies he IS going to read it all, but that maybe it will take some time and he’d like a general outline in advance (not unlike the way medical studies are always published with a one-paragraph summary preceding the study itself).
So while I don’t think Murach meant any harm, I will kindly remind him that people on the internet don’t exist solely to make his life more convenient. 
I have skimmed thru your posts Bryce. I commend you for keeping this journal with high quality photos taken in a scientific-like way. Always good to have a real, half and half LHR and electrolysis comparison for all future people like you who wanna look human again permanently and need some reality-photos for encouragement.
However, I cant help but notice no improvement when I compare your new photos with your old ones. If you started getting electrolysis on your back and front since middle of 2007, and if chest and back hair switches growth cycles every 8 weeks and thus you go every 8 weeks for a new treatment, then you shouldve seen most of that beast fuzz gone by a year, let alone 2-3. I see your posts all the way back in november 2006, and seeing the timestamp of every new update of yours always brings back memories back in my completely hairless days to when I first started shaving to now. DAMN a lot of time has progressed, and yet I still see you with that monkey chest like before.
Im just wondering why the treatments are so badly failing and why you keep getting ripped off, thats all. Its a little discouraging. I only have a little trickle of hair running down my chest and stomach, but now im afraid of making it worse 
I encourage you to continue trying though. Body hair is fucking gross.
Oh, maybe you just misunderstood my experiment. I am only trying to get rid of my back and shoulder hair. The left half of the body was LHR+Electrolysis. The right side was electrolysis only. On page 9 you can clearly see the right side is completely clear of hair (well, 98%). I haven’t had a single treatment in 18 months there.
Hi Bryce:
It sounds like you are saying that electrolyis is the way to go if someone wants permanent rather than temporary or partial hair removal.
On my face I started with laser and went to completion with electrolysis. I also had my hands and arms lasered, but have had some considerable regrowth there.
I’ve had my chest and stomach done with electrolysis only and the results are amazing as were the results with my face. It does take time and patience however which people who seize upon the instant gratification hopes of laser don’t seem to have at first, unless they are desperate for complete clearance as I was.
I had to learn my lesson the hard way however by first trying laser and finding it was not the answer to my prayers. I can’t describe how disappointed I was to see lots of dark hair regrowing on my face after ten sessions of laser.
Thank god my laser tech also did electrolysis and we both had the patience to see it through to completion.