After reading about the early anagen electroepilation, Im a litte bit scared - I started my electrology treatments 8 weeks after last laser treatment. The hair was allready 3-5mm long.
You say it is bad to treat the hair if it is so young and short? 
And the regrowing hair after clearance can be epilated as soon as it shows itself, or is has to get some lenght and strenght??? Treating the same ara once a month is too much or it is good to do?
I’d like Michael to answer this question. Is important.
Meanwhile, I try to explain a bit with these images. A competent electrologist can kill the hair at any stage as well. The problem is that doing this in a very early stage implies the need for deeper damage when it is really unnecessary.
These photos show one of the tests suggested by Michael in his book. In them you can see the hair root is not anchored in the follicle. This bent part, is what can be overlooked in treatment if we work at a late stage of the hair cycle.
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Michael? please…
The hair on the first picture was not killed?
And you say that in early anagen the hair root is located deeper inside the skin? I thougt that in the first phases of hair development the hair root is located not far from the skin surface, as the development continues it goes more deep into the skin and as the hair is approaching the telogen, the root moves back, up towards the skin surface…
And I maybe dont really understand the term early anagen - the hair has reached early anagen if it approaches the skin surface so it can be seen - for example it has 1mm lenght over surface?
I read the Guide to blend from Michael Bono - there was stated that the hair shaft is a moving target. My question is, if there is need to adjust the insertion depth according to lenght(growing time) of every hair? For example after laser some of my hairs have allready the lenght of 10mm, some 5 and some just 2-3mm. And the hairs not lasered have the lenght of 20-35mm. Have the insertions of the growing anagen hairs to be at another depth? And which should be treated at higher depth?
And I have another question - how big area is destroyed with thermolysis? With blend it is the whole “target area” (anchor) of the hair up to perilous zone. After reading the guide I would say that with thermolysis there is a very high probability that the necessary hair shaft tissue will not be destroyed, looks to me like try to shoot at a small mosquito with a gun…
Thank you Josefa for the answers you allready answered to me, they were helpful 
Im thinking of doing my treatments after summer with you, because youre a real professional and a great person in one package Will see
Dear Josefa,
i must admit to also have difficulties understandung Your pictures.
First of all to my current understanding the hair You show is a typical and fully developed anagen hair, not one of the tiny ones where just the fine tip is visible and the root is a lot more shallow than the full anagen depth. And to my understanding Michael has started this thread regarding the latter. But i may well be wrong.
What i do not understand either is wether You bent the soft portion of the hair intentionally in oder to demonstrate its weakness or if You demonstrate the effect of a shallow insertion where the hair often comes out bent like a walking stick.
Michael and Josefa (and of course all the other cracks here) - i would be glad if You could give some further insight.
Thank you for your words, you are very kind, Miro.
Oh yes, the two guide hairs in the images were treated with Electrolysis. I would bet that the two treated follicles were eliminated forever.
You’re right, in the early stages of anagen, the hair is half the depth that it reached later in a more advanced stage of anagen. All the soft part can be bended is the share that goes away gradually to reach the telogen phase. When the soft part has disappeared, it is the ideal time to treat the hair because the damage should also can halved, however, the electrologist can only treat a follicle in early anagen, if the guide hair that we need is a hair very, very old, in the resting phase. We can not pretend that in areas with lots of thick terminal hair as in your chest or your beard is possible to work in this phase ideal, but we can try to get more if you wait long enough to minimize the damage necessary.
When the new hair begins to appear on the surface of the skin, the hair root is very deep because the follicle has progresses down and has surrounded the dermal papilla. The moving target to referred Michael, is actually the papilla. The papilla moves up and down with the base of the follicle up and down. In most of the pictures we see in books, it is wrong displayed. Michael was very insightful when he discovered this error. All (including expert doctors) should be grateful to him.
Yes, the depth of insertion should be different in relation to the phase and thickness of each hair.
The Thermolysis is as capable of destroying a hair as the galvanic. There is really no difference except for the speed at which heat allows you to work. I’ve seen your pictures of the chest. As we can see from the pictures, you would need about 6 hours for the first clearance, 2 to 3 hours for second and one hour or less for the third. After this, your chest will be as you had in 9 years.
Michael wrote the book 16 years ago, when the thermolysis (Flash mode) was not what it is today. Dectro has created a Flash as anyone could have imagined two decades ago. Bless them!
This image will help you understand a little better and the video too. And while you enjoy our unforgettable Nina.
Note: The hair on the pictures above are at the stage for the third and fourth rows respectively.
My dearest Beate,
You have perfectly understood the concept. The root of a hair when appearing on the surface of the skin is much deeper and therefore more energy the follicle needs to be destroyed permanently. How I would like to meet you! 
Michael wanted to show this part of the hair root, which is not anchored to the walls of the follicle, this corresponds to the transient portion of the follicle. Not relevant at all for us if this part does not exist when we try the follicle. We can also kill the hair.
Michael has asked me post these words for Miro, (these days he is too busy). And when not? Michael if you can read this: [size:14pt]we miss you.[/size]
[color:#330000]“Jossie IS ‘all that!’ And that’s the truth! Don’t worry about hair stages, just give each hair follicle the correct dose of current to disable it forever! I HATE HAIRS!”[/color]
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“the electrologist can only treat a follicle in early anagen, if the guide hair that we need is a hair very, very old, in the resting phase.”
So like Michael said, allso hairs after laser with lenght 2-5mm should be killed effectively if the electrologist is experienced enough? I shouldnt fear that the treatments will have no or bad results?
I have the most experienced electrologist here in Germany (and allso the most expensive one), but I think she uses an old machine - shes got used to it and dont want to change… Is it a big difference in effectivity compared to new ones or the biggest difference is in the sides effects after treatment? (got scabs for 1-3weeks, but I like to get high energy treatments)
So the the hair on the 2 pictures you posted was in telogen or catagen?
10 Hours together for the chest, wow, thats fast! But for me it would be enough just a 60-70% reduction and to shape it the right way - man without chest hair is not a man 
I wonder about regrowth after laser… If all the hair after laser treatment gets stimulated into anagen, regrows within 2-3 months and can be killed by electro? Or it has to be treated 9-12months like the non touched one? Does have someone this experience?
In Germany the video does not work I dont understand this restrictions on youtube…
The video probably does not work because of copyrighted background music. Most of Jossies videos, however, do work. You might search for dedspain.
@Miro: i think i know where You are being treated (in a village near Munich, right?) AFAIK she uses an old manual 13.5 MHz epilator and does fast manually controlled thermolysis with that device. So does the collegue working on the rests of my beard as well. Scabs for 2-3 weeks is pretty much, even for “heavy hitting” - but i experience scabs in my face for up to 2 weeks after treatment as well, and that is longer than the healing time of the scabs during DYI epilation. And it definitely hurts more - but luckily it heals perfectly.
For an idea of what is possible for a very experienced electrologist adapting her technique to the potential of modern technology, look at Jossies comments in the Laurier thread or in the diary of a European guy.
But that shall not mean that it is not possible to obtain great results very quickly with older technology as well.
Have found, thank you
Yes, village near Munich. Yesterday and today I had together 6 hours of electrolysis on neck front and back, shoulders and upper arms - in this 6 hours we did together 3500 + 3900 = 7400 hairs! Must say, she was very nice and even though I have booked just 4 hours, and she has full till end of july, we did 2 more hours I asked for
Now this areas are clear of hair, but I still expect to have some regrowth after laser from middle february.
And I think the treatments could be more comfortable with modern equipment, would be better without all the scabs…But if it will work the scabs are not important.
On these areas, don’t worry about scabbing. Not important. Good luck to you.
Off topic, but seems the appropriate place to share. It’s funny.
Found it after watching the excellent video from Josefa.
[color:#660000]“Early anagen is in the picture on the rows 5,6,7, right?”[/color]
Yes! but the hair guides, is the old hair that is on the verge of falling down (Telogen)
[color:#660000]“So like Michael said, allso hairs after laser with lenght 2-5mm should be killed effectively if the electrologist is experienced enough?”[/color]
Yes!
[color:#990000]“Is it a big difference in effectivity compared to new ones or the biggest difference is in the sides effects after treatment?”[/color]
No, difference does not exist. You will have the same results. The difference takes root in the speed of execution and in the pain.
[color:#660000]“So the the hair on the 2 pictures you posted was in telogen or catagen?”[/color]
No, the two hairs of the images was still in the phase of growth. The black point in the base of the root indicates that the melanocytes continued producing color to the hair stem. Therefore they still were going to grow a bit during maybe some weeks.
[color:#660000]“I wonder about regrowth after laser… If all the hair after laser treatment gets stimulated into anagen, regrows within 2-3 months and can be killed by electro? Or it has to be treated 9-12months like the non touched one? Does have someone this experience?” [/color]
The problem with the areas submitted to laser before, is that the duration of the cycle has been modified. The phase of shed lasts very much more time. This circumstance is a serious disadvantage for the electrologist. Sometimes the percentage of reduction is minor of what you believe, and the hair that you believed missing returns after some months, if the process of electrolysis has begun, the client is in the habit of blaming his/her electrologist of this failure that actually is due to the laser.
Thank you once again for the explanations
Like my electrologist sayed - doing elecrolysis after laser: " ist Scheiße" 
Anyone can know how much was treated comparing to the whole count of the hairs…
My personal belief is that approx. 70% of hairs should be regrown 4 months after the laser (on back, shoulders…) - 2,5 months after laser I had cleared the trapezius muscle (3,5 weeks ago) and until now I dont have any regrowth there… On upper arms I still have regrowth from laser, but the hair is much thinner than previous regrowing hairs. I will write if my belief will be coincident with reality 
… das stimmt!
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