So Has Any Man At All Had Successful LHR On Chest/Back/Shoulders

im still trying to find a great place in nyc that lets me pay by each session i dont want 6 sessions if i dontsee any improvement in teh first 3 and am still undecided if you can recommend a place please do so…

on the other hand those are the parts i want to get lasered my back/chest/shoulders/abs but the more i browse around this forum i cant seem to find 1 person who has dont this and is truly happy with the results so im kinda confused…

i have dark black hair and jewish pale skin so i keep hearing those are good requirements for laser but i see others have the same exact skin type and still dont have good results…

im in college right now so i really dont have money to blow on vanity slot machines can anyone give me some encouraging words please lol…

Just wait one day so that La girl can read your post and tell you that since you have dark hair you probably will have good results just look for experience tech that uses gentlease plus and knows what to do and go with high joules. So you will get your encouregment and start the treatment excited and full of hopes. Than year later you will be back starting from point zero and thanking James Walker for being honest and start electrolysis.
Laser is a gamble and since you are college studend unless you make big bucks I wouldn’t go with Laser.
But if you are really want to try laser try hmmm shoulders?
upper arms? back? these will 80% 90% come back. You may actually get some reduction on chest maybe 40 % at best or you may be the lucky 1-3% of human population and actually get good results. The choice is yours. Just try small area 6 treatments after that wait 4 months and see how much came back . after 4 months half is gone? think again because hair will return after a year:)

wow i guess it is all a scam cant even get 1 good positive reply about it from anyone lol i have hair all over my body so electrolysis would probably take decades to do back/chest/shoulders…

i was really beginning to think laser was my best chance at ridding myself of hair but as i slowly read thru this forum i see its all just bs and i will just have to live with it…

i take it you havent had great results hairy???

i actually dont care if the hair comes back i would just like 1 smooth summer atleast and even that seems impossible oh well

this sucks…

anyone got any good results? lol

Reno, you need to take what everyone here says with a grain of salt, including the post above. This has been discussed numerous times and I don’t feel like repeating myself. God knows I’ve done it a million times. Why don’t you use the search feature and read through the previous posts?

If you want experiences, use the search feature and read posts by RC2001, hairlessinla, NoHair, etc. They have stopped posting regularly because of people like hairbastard. Noone who is happy with their results cares enough to come and write the same thing over and over, let alone argue with people like hairbastard. This is a forum where people come to find answers before they start treatments or after they didn’t get results at some clinic, a lot of times with a bad laser, bad tech etc (and there are plenty of those, probably the majority) to get answers. If you got results and were happy, would you google a forum, sign up,and start reading and posting? Probably not. You would go on living your hairless (or more likely less hairy) life.

Btw, there haven’t been many people here who received all the information they needed to get the best treatment possible who came back to complain that they didn’t get results a year later. (i.e. alex laser, appropriate settings etc). Most people say they will, but never do. I find it hard to assume those people didn’t get results. Otherwise, I’m almost positive they would be back here to complain.

To answer you question, chest is pretty easy to treat, back is a bit harder, but possible (harder for top of the back), and shoulders are very difficult. Also, any area with hair that is not coarse, dense, and dark is hard to treat, and even harder with areas that are already considered difficult like shoulders and upper arms.

btw, I’m not a man and didn’t treat those areas, and am having a hairless year on those areas I did treat. Laser doesn’t disciminate by gender lines. It sounds like you don’t have expectations of being 100% hairfree after laser, so you would be happy with the reduction you will get. It will be more of a reduction on easier to treat areas too, up to 90%. One thing you can do to know for sure is try one treatments with GentleLASE AFTER reading the FAQs, sampling several clinics, and picking the right one and see what happens. Then you won’t need someone else telling you what will happen. It would be nice if you came back and posted your experience afterwards.

www.hairremovalforum.com/faq.cfm

p.s. hairybastard obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about if he’s suggesting that shoulders are easier to treat than chest hair.

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Dee

My experience on back-shoulders-upper arms. I’m type 2, black coarse hair.
Currently, I’m 7 wks post 4th treatment and the hair is coming in on all areas thinner but still dark. It seems more numerous/more dense? It has really been an emotional rollercoaster as hair is gone and stays away for awhile only to return at 6 wk mark after treatment.
My 5th treatment is next week and will report back after that.
Type of laser was alexandrite 9300(cynosure/apogee?).
I’ve really been quite diligent about grilling my nurse/laser tech with information I’ve recieved on this site. Doesn’t seem to help much.
People can say you have a bad tech, wrong laser etc. It seems so common to run in to this problem that it would be very easy to consider at least 99% of the laser places a complete waste of time…or is it simply the lasers themselves?
If anyone is looking for a guys experience I will post again-good or bad approx 6 months post 5th treatment. I know it could take 8-10 treatments but shouldn’t 5 give a person a little bit of an idea.

grumpy, can you please also indicate what settings they’re using. This laser has variable pulse, which takes knowledge to use (read sslhr’s post in the previous Smooth Solutions thread). Please list joules, spot size, and pulse used each time. thanks.

also, was any fine hair treated? is that the hair that got more dense? were you treating areas that weren’t dense in the first place? it would help everyone here greatly also if you could take a picture before this next treatments you’re going in for, so that you can take another later and show the difference for folks. thanks.

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Dee

Very successful on my chest and back!!! Not as successful on my arms. I did get some benefit from LHR on the arms, but not as dramatic as on the chest and back. The hair is finer there and my skin is very dark. During the winter after I stay out of the sun for 3-4 months, the skin on my chest and back gets lighter but not on my arms.

I enjoy being hair free so much I would have stayed out of the sun for awhile in order to have more successful hair removal in those areas. But by the time I learned about laser hair removal, my skin was so dark there it may have not made much difference. And also there could be other reasons why laser didn’t work quite as well on the arms. Finer hair and deeper follicles may be important factors.

The tops of my shoulders are very dark too but laser worked better. Just some finer vellus hairs left there. I had an area cleared from my outer deltoid (shoulder) over to the neck in just two hours with thermolysis. As I always say start with laser, finish with electrolysis.

People are always asking me in the winter if I’ve been to Florida or to the Caribbean.

RJC2001

I posted on that thread as well. My treatments were for coarse black…picture Tom Selleck’s chest…put that on shoulders and flanks of back.
Laser was cynosure 9300. Settings started at 21j/20msec/18 spot and on 4th treatment were 25j/10msec/15 spot. I was told I maxed out the joules for that spot size. So if they take the 10msec to 5msec the joules should go up for the 5th treatment?
You know I may be misleading with the density issue, being as the hair is thinner it may just appear like there are more hair…still not happy with it. There were a few spots on back/upper arms that were thin and light color but are now thin and dark. I tried to stop nurse every time she zapped those areas but tough to go by just the feel of the laser when it hits that spot.

I have not done anything to my chest so the comparison is very accurate when looking at before/after since chest did blend into shoulders as far as similar hair before starting laser. We’ll see about the pictures. Thanks.

I need to take a picture of my back. I’ve had six treatments to the left side and one treatment to the right. These treatments have been done over a six year period. The last treatment was a year ago.

I originally started off to show a side by side comparison. No one else was willing to only laser half their back, so I did it. And I am kind of nonchalent about getting in, so months go by before I get around to the next treatment. After 5 treatments, I decided to go ahead and take care of the right side because it was looking weird. I have earlier pictures, but they are from several treatments ago. I’ll try to get some pictures of my back just to show the difference and figure out how to post them here. What I have is quite a lot of hair on the right and just a little bit of fine hair on the left. But a very noticable difference. BTW. None of my settings have been over 16 joules.

But the bottom line is that backs do pretty well. Some are harder than others. Some are completely cleared. Some just get really fine and some are quite challenging. For the challenging ones you need a large spot size and longer treatment intervals. Our experience? 350,000 treatments since 1997 on every laser hair removal technology (to include microwave).

Thanks for the posts sslhr. It’s good to get a response that is not a scripted answer like when I deal with my laser nurse.

Grumpy:
I have had very good results from laser treatments on my chest, abdomine, and armpits. The hair in those areas was thick and dark. I’m a skin type II. Treatments on my back were good, but not as dramatic, as the hair there was not as dark, nor as dense as on other areas.

Skill of the operator is very important, as are the settings and the type laser used. I am being treated with the candella gentelase. And, by the way, the operator had to experiment a little to get the settings right. Enough power to zap the hair follicle, but not so much as to cause a burn.
Hope this helps.

The owner of a chain of Laser Hair Removal Centers indicated that after years of laser on his back, he still needs treatment. He said this in front of about 60 people at a seminar last year. I was there. I heard it.

Personal experience is your best bet. I don’t know who you should believe but from my experience with all types of hair removal, electrolysis is your best bet. If you want an inexpensive temporary quick fix, try waxing. If you come up with the money and have coarse dark hair on that light skin of yours, you might have some success with laser.

Good luck.

The owner of a chain of Laser Hair Removal Centers indicated that after years of laser on his back, he still needs treatment. He said this in front of about 60 people at a seminar last year. I was there. I heard it.

Personal experience is your best bet. I don’t know who you should believe but from my experience with all types of hair removal, electrolysis is your best bet. If you want an inexpensive temporary quick fix, try waxing. If you come up with the money and have coarse dark hair on that light skin of yours, you might have some success with laser.

Good luck.

waxing for me is definitely not an option ive tried about 5 professional waxing only places and nomatter who does what i break out in a ton of pimples all over my back and chest and shoulders on top of all that the hair comes back in a week yes you heard me correctly a week and then i got pimples for 2-3 months…

I’m with you on that. Its trimming or nothing for me. Even shaving causes break outs. What to do… <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

The owner of a chain of Laser Hair Removal Centers indicated that after years of laser on his back, he still needs treatment. He said this in front of about 60 people at a seminar last year. I was there. I heard it.

Personal experience is your best bet. I don’t know who you should believe but from my experience with all types of hair removal, electrolysis is your best bet. If you want an inexpensive temporary quick fix, try waxing. If you come up with the money and have coarse dark hair on that light skin of yours, you might have some success with laser.

Good luck.

do you remember which clinic he owned?

The owner of a chain of Laser Hair Removal Centers indicated that after years of laser on his back, he still needs treatment. He said this in front of about 60 people at a seminar last year. I was there. I heard it.

It is hard to make sense of this kind of comment. What exactly did he mean when he stated that he still has to laser his back? How much hair did he have left? How many treatments had he done? What systems had he used? Just because he owns a chain of LHR centers doesn’t mean he knew what he was doing. What was the point he was making?

Personal experience is your best bet. I don’t know who you should believe but from my experience with all types of hair removal, electrolysis is your best bet. If you want an inexpensive temporary quick fix, try waxing. If you come up with the money and have coarse dark hair on that light skin of yours, you might have some success with laser.

Electrolysis and laser are complementary. To state that electrolysis is “your best bet” I think is opinion not well supported by the facts. They both have advantages and disadvantages. And neither is the “better bet.” Let’s look at just the economics of treating a man’s back.

Using a laser, one can get good results after 6 treatments (it does often take more, but I’ve seen people with excellent results after 4 treatments). A reasonable price for those treatments is somewhere between $1,500 and $3,000. The time invested is about 6 hours or an hour per treatment.

Electrolysis. Can take between 50 to 100 hours to treat a man’s back (if I am wrong please correct me as I am not an expert on electrolysis). At $50 to $75 per hour (reasonable amounts) you are looking at between $2,500 and $5,500.

You also have to take into account two other issues. One is opportunity cost. If we value someone’s time at $10 an hour the opportunity cost for laser is $60 while the opportunity cost for electrolysis is between $500 and $1,000. If someone values their time as more, then the opportunity cost for electrolysis is even higher.

Finally, with lasers you generally have a hair free period that on a man’s back can last up to 3 months. That has a value that needs to also be considered.

From a purely economic point of view, laser hair removal is a much better bet. Of course, that’s assuming you get good results. I will say that there are a lot of people out there using lasers that aren’t very effective and don’t really know what they are doing. So it is no wonder that there are a lot of people who report poor results. At the same time, this forum is a place that people with great results don’t frequent. So this is a skewed population.

Finally, not all electrologist know what they are doing or use good equipment. I have seen many people who have come to me after years of electrolysis and are unhappy with their results.

sslhr, thanks for your comments. You pretty much summarized what I say here over and over, main thing being that a candidate for hair removal should educate themselves on their options and decide what’s important to them and what risks they’re willing to take, and then make a decision on whether to go with laser or electrolysis. For most, it is probably a combination if they’re looking for complete removal on an area. Hopefully, your honest feedback will be taken seriously by the critics here considering your experience on the subject.

damn im so confused about the subject why would people with good results not be hear promoting it i know if i got good results i would be back here in a minute recommending the crap out of the place just to prove to people it works…

such a big step for me moneywise and from what i have read it truly is a person to person kinda thing but to me it would be worth the money if i could get atleast a few smooth months lol…

damn im so confused about the subject why would people with good results not be hear promoting it i know if i got good results i would be back here in a minute recommending the crap out of the place just to prove to people it works…

Let me state why I think this is the way it is. It comes down to four words. Herzberg’s Two Factor Theory.

This is the competing theory of human motivation (competes with Maslow’s hierarchy of needs theory). It states that there are two things that motivate people: 1) motivators 2) dissatisfiers.

Motivators are things that we do because we want to enjoy the results. Things like going out to dinner, enjoying a movie, the company of someone we care for, etc. These are things that intrinsically motivate us to act.

Dissatisfiers are things that we do only because we get dissatisfied enough to act. Mowing the lawn, putting away the dishes, doing the laundry. etc. These are things that motivate us to act only when we get dissatisfied enough.

So how does this apply to hair and hair removal. My opinion is that hair on our head is mostly a motivator in that people will go to great lengths to make it look good. It says something about you. People are motivated to have it look good and to some extent are pleased to tell others just what they had to go through to get it. This doesn’t apply to everyone but to many.

But hair on the rest of the body is different. This is a classic dissatisfier. Those that don’t have hair on their body don’t really understand just how frustrating it is to have it and how much most people will go through just to hide it or eliminate it. This is especially true for women because hair is a “masculizing” feature and no woman wants to look masculine. So it is a strong motivator. But once the hair is gone, especially permanently, it is no longer motivating. And therefore less likely for someone to go through the effort to report back here, unless they have some other strong motivation.

And by the way, this theory also explains why no high end (read expensive) hair removal centers have survived while high end luxury spas do quite well.