With a man’s back, I break it down into quadrants. Clear one quadrant asap. When he comes back, before starting the second quandrant, look over the first quandrant and get any new hairs that have come to the surface. Always maintain that first area, keeping it cleared each and every visit. So the rule is clear and advance, clear and advance, clear and advance. That’s why we strongly recommend that consumers find a modern electrologist that is not stuck in the past, who uses a computerized epilator with the faster forms of thermolysis in auto sensor mode (no footswitch). Older epilators don’t have this precision. Bells and whistles are very good when it comes to electrolysis care FOR ANY AREA.
Barbara, I am very pleased to see that we agree that removing the hairs in telogen phase is possible with Electrolysis. Is not only possible but is advisable. It demonstrates that treating the hair of an arm that had never been shaved, we got a 74% success if the majority of them (80%) were in the telogen phase, and only was effective in treating stage anagen (20%), the results would have been 20%. It proves, that those who claim that is only good to work in anagen, are wrong.
Telogen is advisable because we don´t have to wait to see the hair. They are already there. Time is not wasted and results are visible to the customer from the starting.
At best, a telogen hair can be weakened and then it will come back thinner in the next hair growth cycle. If you break through the bottom of the follicle, then that can disable a telogen follicle, but it is more painful for the client to do this. There is a Japanese method that disables a telogen hair follicle, but again, it is ouchy.
What method do you use ded10 that you can permanently effect a telogen hair?
lagirl, maybe you d´ont agree with that, but that is not a valid argument.
When a person is shot in his heart, he dies inevitable, no matter if he is awake or asleep. “The heart” of the follicle (isthmus and papilla) is the target, active or inactive, is present at all stages.
Dear Dee, it is true that treating the follicle phase telógen is more painful to do so in Anagen it is the only disvantage of this protocol. But the advantages are far more numerous.
Please, take a look at the book of Michael Bono “The Blend Method”. What is the protocol he recommend for body treatment? Does he recommend to have wax prior to start the treatment? Does he recommend to shave prior to start the treatment? How many full clearances, more or less, and intervals between them, does he recommend to get the body area treated with complete permanent hair removal? I personally think that his protocols are completely valid today whether we use thermolysis or blend. Not only that, what surprises me is that nearly at the same time that Bono published his book with those protocols for body treatments, a clinical study was being made in Spain by ded10 and his team and the conclusions and results about body protocols were the same as the ones published by Bono. And they had never met before. Ded10 had never heard of him until 2 years ago when I showed her his book. What a coincidence!!!
yes, I know the book, and also recommended Anagen work. Can be custom. Maybe he did not want to change their habits. Dee, I would list all the advantages of changing protocol.
The name SYNCHRO implies the signal is SYNCHRONIZED with something. My question is WITH WHAT ? ALSO… When you step on the switch the current is released. It MAY travel as the standard 13.56 mghz/ per second or double that at 27 meghtz/sec because it makes no difference. ALL ELECTRICITY TRAVELS AT A SPEED OF so many megahtz per SECOND. This applies to the waves per sec. not the speed of electricity which is ALWAYS the same as for light at 186,000,000 MILES/SECOND. The megahertz has nothing to do with the speed of the electricity per second which is constant as the same as the speed of light…
Frequency has nothing to do with the number of flashes per second.
Lefty2g, did not understand. Does you mean that it’s the same 13.56 MHz to 27 MHz? it seems that you have not worked with 27 MHz.
Congratulations to the engineers who made this possible. I thought I retire without trying something new.
Ahhhhhhhh, Lefty. Dear sweet, charming, gentle lefty, I will ask this for the sixth time in a different font and color to grab your attention and hopefully get a yes or a no answer. I’ll use the color green this time, in honor of the coming spring.
[font:Comic Sans MS][color:#FF0000][size:20pt][color:#009900][color:#33CC00]Have you personally used a 27MHz epilator for a year or so using the different modes of thermolysis, SYNCHRO, PICOFLASH, MICROFLASH?[/color][/color][/size] [/color][/font]
If you make an attempt to do this, then all your physics lectures will not be necessary. Just try it! We’re never too old to discover something new and better in the world of electrology. It will not threaten what you have always clinged to in the past, it will enhance and refresh you as an electrologist, not to mention the benefits your clients will see and feel.
Dee
Oh, and I congratulate the engineers and others at Dectro Internationl for the ten years of hard work and money they put into making the Platinum and Pure a dream come true. There would be no need for waxing if there were skilled electrologists in every town, in every corner of the world using this technology. Waxing is the topic of this thread, after all, and we have diverted off topic again, which seems to be the norm.
I agree with you. The papilla is the culprit. The follicle is a One Way street to the papilla whether or not the phase is Anagen, Catagen, or Telogen. It always was very difficult to explain to patients the concept of earlier shed hairs now reappearing near hairs that I just removed a few days ago. They see a hair and believe it is the same one that was treated earlier no matter what you try to do to explain it. They do not try to understand what is going on. They believe they were cheated. I spend a lot of FREE time explaining it. Perhaps the problem is the electrologist doing the explaining. Perhaps she is a better operator than communicator. Complex biologic processes are not always understood by patients who want to see all hair gone in one visit. It can be expensive and many patients are worrying about keeping their own job.
Once the electrologists is in the follicle they have it licked. The energy comes from the tip of the probe and only has to “cook” the papilla to be effective in the case of thermolysis. With the “blend” all tissue will be destroyed within a short distance from the probe. Thermolysis is more conservative because it only coagulates tissue that is heated in a short area from the probe. Blend is more destructive as the lye dissolves anything it comes in contact with. The trick is to dissolve only the stuff you want to dissolve without damaging anything else.
Synchro with WHAT. You need 2 objects or more to be in sync with each other. If you do not know THAN SAY SO. You did not answer the question. You should know your equipment and be prepared to discuss it with patients. Some of your patients are engineers and know the terminology including mega, pico, nano etc. You do not seem to be able to answer the question, consequently, do not use the terminology or find out and report to us all as we would like to know. I asked the question because never used either of these modes. Therefore I asked someone who used it and I expected them to be able to provide me with an answer not nasty senseless comments. I wanted to know and you came back with a NON ANSWER. I hear you talking but you did not say anything. You are a victim of the promotion by manufacturers who need to sell gadgets and find it very easy to do this to people who do not know anything about the machines they use.
It’s funny to read your comments considering you consistently make paragraph long diatribes about laser on the laser forum when you know nothing about laser at all. I’m still laughing at the comment you made about laser being attracted to blood because it’s red. Jesus.
The Synchro mode of the Apilus Platinum is designed to automate the process promoted by Susan Anderer called The S.I.M.P.L.E technique. In the original technique, one inserted the probe to anagen depth and released some treatment energy. One then lifted the probe just slightly and released another small dose of treatment energy. and continued this process until one had made many little treatments with the probe tip moving from the bottom of the follicle to either mid bulge or the anchor. The Synchro mode of the Platinum automates the treatment energy blasts used in The SIMPLE Technique, leaveing the machine operator to only SYNCHRONIZE her or his insertion with the delivery of the treatment energy. If one doesn’t move the probe, all the energy is placed in one place, and it would be the equivelant of resting the probe at the bottom of a follicle and tappingon your footpedal 5 to 10 times.
As I have said in reply to another of your questions regarding this program selection on the Apilus Platinum, it brings a type of blend technique to thermolysis, as one can use Synchro on a down stroke, as well as an up stroke. When using Synchro in conjunction with the auto sensor, one can do it on the down stroke, and get the same result as “Live Probing” techniques done in galvanic or blend.
Well, I finally pulled out an answer from you after six attempts. You are a hard NUT to crack. Your arrogant rants are not helpful nor wanted here. You are actually irritating many viewers and breaking up smooth flowing threads. Go to an engineering discussion board and mega, nano and pico yourself all you want. You are putting people to sleep here with your lectures. The audience on hairtell are consumers, not East coast wanna be doctors and engineers, like you.
I understand how my epilator works on a practical level that my clients understand well. DO YA THINK that they want to come to my office and have me talk in great detail about the different modes of thermolysis as if I were a physics professor instead of an electrologist? They - don’t - care. The client (NOT THE PATIENT - NO ONE IS SICK HERE) wants three things here: they want the hair off fast and permanently, they want as little sensation as possible and they want the skin to go back to normal asap.
You are on the the wrong side of me, Harvey Grove aka Lefty. I have little respect for your attacks when you have not even used the newer technologies that we are speaking so highly about. I do not have any financial interests in Dectro International or Silhouet-Tone International. I am not their promotor. Their great products promote themselves. I simply like their products and will say so if I desire. I have used their epilators with the faster thermolysis modes and I know what I am talking about. You have admitted that you have not used these epilators with the faster and newer modes of thermolysis, so you can’t possibly know what you are talking about. You lack credibility because you are minimizing something you haven’t even experienced and observed.
I admitted I had not used these modes of treatment and merely wanted some info from an expert like I thought you were. You can not explain what you are doing so I wondered if you ever knew. I contacted the manufacturer for an explanation and they could not provide me with one other than to say 27 megahertz is faster than 13.56. They had no explanation as to what the patient could be expected to feel other than 27mgz is faster. I found out finally, however, you are telling patients it is faster without knowing what is faster and why does it make a difference. You explained patients want it done faster with less pain but have difficulty explaining what is going on. You are probably a better electrologist than a communicator. I never said you were a poor electrologist. You are not acting very professional and your patients who read this can see the difference between various professionals and the name calling you refer to. It is not professional and telling patients their operator is not good is also not professional since you should know patients do not always understand what we are trying to tell them and they have a tough time explaining what happened to them.
This is still an open forum and is great for patients and professionals. We know many states have minimal requirements and this forum is a great learning experience for professionals and patients. There are many patients who like to know what is going on. You are correct when you say many patients do not want the technical aspect, however, many others do want that.
What is the point of your diatribe? If you’re really curious about a machine and the difference it makes, visit an electrologist near you using it and try it out, and compare to what you’re currently using. No one owes you anything, including on this forum. And if you’re not curious enough to do it, then there is no point of taking up pages of this forum with useless paragraphs making consumers sift through your useless posts to get to the answers they’re looking for.
HERE’S A GOOD IDEA: If you have a specific question, start your own thread since none of your diatribes in consumers’ threads are ever related to what is being asked. You really need to stop highjacking others’ threads. It makes the forum unhelpful.