My mind is drawing a blank. (Stress with end-of-life issues for not-so-elderly excellent dog.) Am working on a presentation to colleagues…
Is there a name for the technique where we treat multiple hairs before extracting them en masse?
I would be charmed with knowing if a name exists for this technique.
If it does not exist still, why you do not choose one, Barbara?
In fact I believe that the very appropriate one would be “HUMMINGBIRD” technique, in your honor.
You were the first one that you mentioned this extraordinary bird that one adapts fighting for his survival.
I fell in love with this word since you used it.
I have not heard a specific term, but you can make one up that sounds very official, I suppose. I refer to this technique as the “neighborhood demolition street by street technique”. This means, I see a clear pattern of row(s) of hair and then I treat anywhere from five to ten hairs within that section where my fingers mark the spot. I lift the hairs out and go onto the next row(s) of hairs. Lift the treated hairs and then repeat. This offers speed and reduces fatigue when doing large areas. Using the auto sensor further helps with the speed and fatigue issues.
Maybe I missed a term to describe this technique, so would be happy to exchangemy unofficial descriptive wording for the proper term.
This was an adaptation sometimes called “the Kree method.” Kree dominated the electrolysis market for decades and had it’s primary school in NYC. In appearance, similar to what’s being done today. When I was 25 and having my back cleared, this is the technique the electrologist used: Auto HF, row by row. Treat a row and then remove the row. (Only one adaptation taught by Kree.) I still remember her name: Mrs. Scalapino! She must have been in her 70s. She did a pretty nice job too. And, we listened to opera — mostly Puccini.
Thanks Mike for that information. Mrs. Scalapino makes me hungry for some good Italian cooking on par with what my paternal grandmother, Nardina, use to make every Sunday. Instead of Puccini, we had to endure my Grandpa’s singing after he got drunk on a few shots of whiskey. Lovely childhood memories. mmm 
I think I now will refer to this method as the Scalapino Method.
When speed matters?
I’m sure you all know about this already, but it’s interesting to repeat. Harvey Grove came up with the non-removal method. He noted that laser users don’t bother to remove the “scorched” hair — so, why should we? Using auto-thermolysis he treated the hairs rapidly and just left them in the follicle! He reckoned a 50% increase in hair/time removal.
I never tried this, considering that a “dead hair shaft” could cause infection. Still, Harvey said it worked extremely well. He instructed the patient to lightly wipe the dead hairs away (or shower then away) at home.
Anybody try the “Harvey Grove treatment?”
I was asked by a client to do this once, but the client was displeased when it appeared to yield more discoloration than was the norm in our prior treatments. Of course, since I was not there for Harvey’s AEA class on the method, I may not have done it exactly the way he might have.
Oh, this is that Ultralysis approach, right? Why do the hairs not cause an infection problem for laser? Do we actually know that infection was a problem with treating and leaving the hair in the follicle?
Hummingbird…I like that! Scalapino, could so easily be turned into SCALPino…which would be easy to remember, I would think!
Ultralysis…is that how it was spelled? I’ve never thought that leaving the hairs in after treating them would cause infection, but I do think our clients appreciate the immediate clearing of the hairs, plus we are able to immediately re-treat the follicle with the occasional sequoia tree growing from it.
Regarding the message of “ultralysis”, part of the problem was the messenger. We don’t always realize how our words will be perceived by others, and the messenger in this case was difficult to “listen” to because of the methods of communication used.
Dear Barbara,
Here is some ultralysis info from the inventor:
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#60512 - Thu [color:#FF0000]Mar 12 2009[/color] 12:42 AM Re: Okay - so i’ve decided… [Re: VickieCNY]
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[color:#FF0000]WHAT A HODGE-PODGE ASSORTMENT OF GIBBERISH. I invented ULTRALYSIS. I could have called it SUPERLYSIS or a number of other good sounding names. It was my idea to pick up speed while still doing thermolysis. It saves some time but I doubt if anyone can move their hands fast enough to remove a single hair at the speed of 0.04 seconds. That is 4 hundredths of of a second. BE REAL!! IT CANNOT BE DONE THAT FAST. It takes longer than that to depress the switch and wait for the response. It takes longer than that to decide which follicle you are going to attack. That speed, if it could be accomplished, would be very fatiguing for your hands and could not be sustained.
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I guess you believe it can be done so there is no point in continuing this discussion.
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#60513 - Thu Mar 12 2009 12:59 AM Re: Okay - so i’ve decided… [Re: alisha9]
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You really are CLUELESS. There are too many TRAINED electrologists that are not very effective. You are not trained. This is not do-it-yourself surgery. There are areas you can not reach yourself. The face would have to be done in reverse using a mirror. You would give it up pretty fast. In UK electrolysis is covered by national health insurance. Why not have a professional do it?
Did you ever think that you might have a medical problem? How old are you? You mentioned arms. Do you have hair in areas where men usually have hair and women do not have hair? Any on the sideburns, belly, breasts, upper thighs, butt, lower back, chest or any other places? You can not do anything until the medical problem is corrected as you could still be growing new hair in places between the hairs you already have. Do not sell yourself short.
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#60615 - Sun Mar 15 2009 09:23 AM Re: Okay - so i’ve decided… [Re: lefty2g , LE, CPE]
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lefty, not sure what your issue is, but you seem more of an attacker than a helper. Hopefully you are just having a bad day, and this it not the normal you."
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#59659 - Sun Feb 01 2009 11:52 PM Re: Hair on Arms and Hands!!! [Re: dfahey]
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If you are working fast with an old machine you can not work faster with a new machine. You may be working SMARTER and you have more experience with this patient. Your hands can not work so much faster with a new machine that it makes a significant difference. If it takes 1 second per hair with the new machine (that is super fast that nobody can do) that is 60 hairs per/minute. With an old machine(if it makes a difference…I do not believe it does) and you take 1.2 seconds per hair with an old machine (I doubt if that is possible either) the difference is negligible. I have developed another way to speed up the work.
[color:#FF0000]Suppose you treat an area like a leg. You have perfect settings and kill a hair on each insertion. If everything has gone right there is no resistance when you release a hair. However, you know some of these hairs are in anagen but not all. Suppose, instead of releasing each hair one by one, you just wipe the area with the grain using a terry cloth and the treated hairs will slide out with the friction of the towel. Treat a few and wipe all. Treat a few and wipe. You will not have to release one at a time. Just wipe the area with the grain and get a bunch of them. When you treat a hair and it is in telogen and it will not release you go on to the next hair. Leave all treated hairs alone they will fall out in a few days or get rubbed off when the patient takes a shower just as they do when they are lasered. Patients will not complain about the pain of tweezing a telogen hair. How is that? I call it ULTRALYSIS. Anyone who wants to use the name can. It is in the public domain. I trade marked it many years ago and did not renew it. Now anybody can use it. It saves the time of releasing them singly. You can treat any amount you want. I have done twenty at one time and had no problem. Do not make little circles or you may have circular bald spots. It all depends on how far apart the treated hairs are. It works great on large areas like a back or legs. Just make sure you do not work in a line or tight circle."[/color]
Ah yes. I do recall those posts - and also the reason that the man was difficult to take… Funny how our memory is, though. I would have thought it was longer than just 2 years ago!!!
Thanks for the reminder Dee, now I recall what the problem was with the client who asked that I do some Ultralysis. The client was a very difficult customer. One of the problems was this person refused to let the hair grow out, so I was always working on fresh shaved hair and struggling to dig out the hairs. This in addition to the fact that this person would allow any social engagement to be a reason to cancel an electrolysis appointment, and we were going no where fast.
When we did the attempt at Ultralysis, the hairs were too short to be wiped away, and thus required the body to push them out from within. As this is the case, I will have to say that I have never truly done what Harvey suggested, and would not be likely to, not because I am against it, but because the problem is I have so very few clients who are wiling to let the hair grow long enough for this to be done.
How do You distinguish treated hair from untreated hair if you do not at all remove the treated ones? Especially where hair density is high and where You might be forced to leave healing gaps?
I have a question about treating multiple hairs before removing them. I was wondering if when using galvanic or blend there might be some advantage. My thinking is that the lye produced has additional time to interact with the tissue so there might be an increased efficacy. Its hard to tell since I can’t really track which follicles grow back. Sometimes it seems that the hairs release a little better if you wait a bit to remove them but its not a super obvious effect. Still, it seems that allowing the lye a longer time to work should have a beneficial effect. Anyone else have thoughts on this?
No thoughts, but i want to confirm this oberservation. The effect ist still noticeable in blend modes where only a rather small amount of lye is produced, i.e. the approach Joana presented some time ago.
When i was doing classical blend i intentionally stopped just before i expected the hair to release (i tested this…) and did the next few hairs. The additional time was sufficient for the lye to release the hair. So i was faster and it was easier for my clients.
Beate, the heat of HF is a catalyst for the lye. Therefore, the lye is much more damaging. If you move the needle upward and downward during the second of two simultaneous currents, will you reach the goal faster than if you wait for the lye fill the follicle.
This technique have a name, Barbara? active technique, perhaps?
Oh, how I like the moving!!!
Joana,
i have been doing something very similar for quite a while with my Apilus junior when You presented the approach in this forum, and it ist still my preferred working mode. You can probably imagine that i was very pleased to notice that this was not just an exotic idea of an unconventional newcomer but something done by very experienced collegues.
BTW: in a recent workshop we succeeded to transfer the idea to the Instantron Elite Spectrum as well.
IMO, this is more or less an adaption of the ideas of the “body technic” Michael Bono describes in his book to the different capabilities of computerized machines and in general machines with only one foot pedal.
Beate
Yes Beate, Michael’s educations are so valuable. The electrolysis of the 21st century neither can, nor must do without the method Blend.
The key is in the speed that provides the catalyst of the HF.
For me the ideal machine must have the Flash of the Platinum and a Blend that allows any adjustment of the parameter time and that reaches the 2,0 mA. This would save us to have to use two different machines.
I could have verified in the leg of the man of the video that the results of the Multiplex are exactly the same ones that the results of the Blend. Exactly equal.
Michael also gave to us the key in 1995, the aim is to give the lethal shot of Flash in the brain of the follicle, that is to say, justly in the base of the permanent part of the follicle.
This is why it is so important to recognize the phases of the follicle in the moment to realize the insertion. This is as if we had Superman’s power, X-rays, to see across the skin and to do target with the first shot.
Maybe Dectro should correct the Blend of his Apilus? Or maybe to ask for advice Mr. Bono?
Dancing with the stars!!! I couldn’t sit still while watching/listening to the video!!!
Very interesting forceps/tweezers there! Tell us about them, please!
Yes, certainly Barbara. They are tweezers of many quality made of Germany.
I like to use this type of tweezers because with it, there is no risk of “puncturing” accidental my client.
I will take any pictures and put here for you.
I know that you are doing a great work for the control of infections and the safety of the client and the electrologist.
Have you heard speaking about the “Finger Technique”?
When the client remains some time without depilating, we can do without the use of the tweezers. This avoids to have to sterilize the tweezers and diminishes the cost of the treatment.
The finger technique is the name that Michael put to this slightly elegant way of working, but that calms so much the client. Specially when a client has suffered a treatment without results, because others before that I have plucking the hair with the tweezers. If I have to choose between the dogmas of our profession and the good predisposition of the client, naturally I prefer the second thing.
Beate, is very lucky you of living in a country where still workshops are realized. I have the hope to attend one of these workshops some day.
I have not known anybody so ready to experimenting as you. The exotic ideas are those that drove the man to explore the space.
I adore the exotic ideas!