Unfortunately they are not. Annoying especially during long sessions, because sometimes the insulation gets loose (especially on sizes 2 and 3). Sometimes visible, but not always.
Yes, Barbara and Mike, it was a Sudonna - a little white boxy thing with two control knobs. It hurt indeed and with all the skin trauma, I am glad to say that the skin on my legs is untarnished, beautiful and very, very smooth. The best money I ever spent. By the way, it cost me a whole $20 per hour back then! EEKKEK!
I enjoy all the history behind the products and characters, too. Skip Mahler (Instatron) presented at my last continuing education and he passed around his grandfathers wooden box that he used to perform galvanic electrolysis. My goodness all the wires! I have pictures on my i-phone. His stories were very intriguing as well. We have come along way.
I posted this picture a few days ago. http://www.hairtell.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/170/size/big/cat/
Does it say “Ferrie Mfg” to the right of Sudonna? I have in my memory that it had both Sudonna and Ferrie on the front…
Hey Barbara — I think you are right, it does say Ferrie — I sort of remember that they did something together for a while! That little fiberglass enclosure! … Some years later I made a fiberglass enclosure, with Merv Larson, for the Hinkel company (the UC-1: Unit Computer #1). Everybody thought it looked like a toaster — it DID! It was sort of post-modern kitsch. (I used to make fiberglass kayaks, called bonobot, “Swedeformen,” when I was a kid.) I still have an original kayak, and I’m putting to sea this summer now that I can walk again! Sailing/ocean swimming too. Come join me!
Michael, this is very clear in your book and also in Hinkel’s book.
I do not understand something, why your book and Arthur Hinkel’s one have more time and are a world reference in all the clinical studies, this myth of “only anagen” continues existing today, more than 15 years after been publicated?
Maybe this image helps to understand the students:
Always there is a connection between follicle and papilla. Both elements are never completely separated.
I could take the time to do a full experiment about this pesky “telogen” issue. It could be done fairly easily and photographically documented. I wonder, however, if people would believe it? So many reports and experiments are simply discounted. The bottom line — it really doesn’t matter.
And interesting side-note. I had a client come in after having a lot of laser treatments. Being a young man, I expected to encounter lots of nice anagen hairs. Instead, his hair grow cycles had been turned around completely. I counted 100+ telogen hairs to one anagen hair. It was shocking! I cleared him off and it was permanent — here was a case of treating only telogen hairs and they died nicely.
I also postulate that laser might not only be causing thermal damage. Indeed, it might be affecting stem cells at a genetic level; hence the radical change in the growth cycle. There is more evidence to support this idea since people with black skin and black hair are achieving some level of hair reduction without any thermal damage (the laser is used at very low settings).
Can you define “people”?
There are people (like me and I am sure that many here) excited when we receive any news related to the Electrology. Any insignificant detail is a big step if doing so, we can improve our work.
Four newsletters per year Dectro, which includes a single article (but very interesting), is quite little, however, I hope with real impatience.
This issue “telogen” is irrelevant to the successful elimination of the follicle. We all agree. However, it is vital in the mind of the customer.
Working in early anagen require to clean the area again and again for 12 months or more.
Working in late anagen or telogen required to clean the area 3 times with intervals of 3 months and end of treatment in 9 months. 3 months less. This seems a short time, but for a client with a fear of failure is a real eternity.
Working with one strategy or another is what makes the difference for us beetwen looking at the window with a burning desire or enjoying the gratitude of our clients, soon.
We need evidence to confirm our observations, especially if we read an article as contradictory as that of Louise Lévesque. Director & International Instructor, Académie Dectro, Montréal, Canada
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In conclusion, we have chosen to be professional electroepilation technicians, we are passionate and concerned about our work… and we must continue this way. Of course, it is our responsibility to learn from our own experiences, to assess our work and this without neglecting the different options, new research and new technologies that are offered to us. According to my experiences and the comments of fellow workers, I insist again by suggesting that you should treat hair in the early anagene phase, for the simple reason that the bulge and the papilla are close to each other during that phase. Your treatments will be more comfortable, you will have less skin reactions and you will have visible results much more rapidly. I leave you on these thoughts and these superb photographs of follicle cross-sections in order for you to reach your own conclusions."[/color]
I notice in the books referenced earlier that they will say, “research shows that …” Instead, they should say: “Observation leads us to believe that …”
If there really had been research on this “pesky issue,” it should state “who, when, date, etc.” Research means following the scientific method — with results that can be duplicated by others.
Nearly everything we talk about is our “personal experience,” which is only valid to a certain point — it’s just not empirical fact. I’m guilty of doing it too. Our profession is still so brutally far behind in developing real “Standards of Practice.” I think it’s worth at least talking about it.
As far as “can you destroy a telogen hair?” I know I can — but I don’t really care much about the issue. If you don’t think I can, that’s okay — have a nice day! Whatever your approach, if you are using electrolysis and are a reasonable therapist, you will achieve permanent results.
Please let me come back to this. I had been educated in the sense of the opinon issued in the dectro article, but even my (still limited) experience point exactly in the direction Joanna mentioned:
First of all working in early anagen is more fun: less sensation, less energy, sometimes very much less, accordingly less pain and fewer side effects like swelling for the customer. Immediate feeling of success and also more hair bein epilated in a givn time interval.
But i always wondered whether it is really economically efficient: my clear impression was a fairly large amount of regrowth. I wonder if the low energy concentrated in a smaller area is really able to destroy everything that needs to be destroyed.
Beate
Yes, Beate, a lot of time before the scientists were discovering the existence of the bulge, the electrologist were eliminating the hair in any phase. The cases in Michael’s book demonstrate that waiting 3 or 4 months before beginning the treatment, the majority of the hair have reached anagen late or telogen phase, and the results in the first clearance overcomes 75%.
My speciality are the legs and arms. These areas represent 60% of my work. I would not have so many demand of these zones if the results were not clear from the first month of treatment.
According to Ms. Levesque, her recommendation is based on the importance acting when bulge and papilla are very close, the problem is that at this very moment of cycle, the guide hair you need is a telogen hair and or, in any case, a absent hair (exogen phase)
If the guide hair, is the anagen new, then the papilla is very far of the bulge, (see the picture above).
Conclusion: The observations of some do not coincide always with the observations of others.
Hinkel says also in the chapter, “body technique” of his book that is suitable working rapidly at these areas and that the risk is very much minor. I agree with him. To be able to treat 3 hair at the same time in a leg, at what phase we will working? TELOGEN
I do not agree at all that the skin reacts better in anagen.
Well, guys, I got to tell you that whatever I have been doing, no matter what I was taught, works pretty darn well, within a good time frame.
More from the article. Thanks for that link, Josepha. Looks like research has been done by Dectro.
“In the telogene phase, the hair is at the end of its life cycle, it is keratinized and depigmented.
His bulb looks like a grain of salt and is located under the sebaceous gland, very close to the bulge.
According to Dr. Charles Doillon’s research, we know that the bulge germ cells can be destroyed by
heat. These studies prove that interesting results can be obtained even during the telogene phase. Be
careful though with skin reactions! What is important during that phase is to take into account the
depth of insertion which is very superficial, to favor rapid thermolysis techniques such as MicroFlash TM or PicoFlash TM, to use insulated probes and to adequately adjust the working parameters.”
For lovers of the Blend (like me). In terminal medium hair. In the telogen phase.
OMNIBLEND in Apilus Platinum:
Galvanic: .90 mA (according to my calculation it may be 13,5 U.L, according to the machine data it is, 14,5 U.L)
Thermolysis: 29%
Time: stop current after a second and half.
Needle: no insulation.
(It is a pity we can´t adapt the time our own way)
I only “met” Jossie a few months ago, but being introduced to her has led me to all kinds of “new ideas.” I have learned that adding local anesthetic to electrolysis produces its own method.
There are several operators in my State that also work with physicians but use a completely different brand-name unit and (usually) not blend — mostly thermolysis. Like Jossie, eventually their technique becomes exactly what she and I use. This is a stunning discovery for me.
Separated by thousands of miles, different languages and countries and using totally different epilators — my technique is exactly what Jossie uses.
Galvanic: set at exactly 0.90 mA
Thermolysis: set at (on my manual unit) ±70 Vp-p
Timing: about 1.5 seconds per hair
Needle: no insulation (tapered or Ballet regular).
(I still remove the hair with the two-handed “progressive epilation” technique — but really, at this level of current, I don’t think it’s important at all.)
Jossie’s post here on hairtell is the first time she disclosed her settings. I’m completely amazed that we are both using the exact method and getting identical results. Her photos look like my patients. Local anesthetic has created its own method.
The local anesthesia is a REAL miracle. I am lucky to have a doctor to be employed at very sensitive areas. My doctor is a great fan of the Electrolysis. 20 years ago, she was one of my first clients when still she was a student of medicine. Today she is a great specialist in intensive care and she is employed at two of the biggest hospitals of the city. She has very a little free time, nevertheless she finds little time to be employed the Electrolysis (I trained my doctor) at a few clients.
She does not need the money, but she knows well the hard thing that is to live with the excess of hair. It is for this that I her want with all my soul and she is like my sister. We form a good equipment. Unfortunately she cannot be always available for my clients, so I look for other options. The Flash of my Apilus Platinum is really my SECOND miracle.
Michael, allow me a small correction. This can look like “new ideas”, but actually, you already were doing the Electrolysis of the future in the decade of the 90s, (accidentally coinciding with the publication of my study of efficiency).
For me, to discover the cases included in your book was an authentic revelation. For the first time, someone was documenting capacity of the Electrolysis. I got excited so much that still me trembles the hand when I remember it.
Nothing can overcome the results of the Electrology if the technique is applied correctly.
The key is in that the client sees these results very soon. To verify these results from the minute 0, it is easy if you use the suitable STRATEGY.
Not to shave, not to wax, delete all the present hairs the first time and nothing or nobody will be able to doubt nevermore. With or without DOCTOR, the real star is the ELECTROLYSIS.
Right axilla. Before (3 months without shaving or waxing the area)
After 3 months (results of the ONLY clearance)
Left axilla. Before
After 3 months
Since the Latin is the language of the scientists, I am going to say it in Latin:
“TROPPO VERO”, my dearest Michael.
Jossie … people are going to start to “talk!” Madonna Mia!
Well, it is time already to listen to the voice of the Electrology and balance the scale of the justice. This industry has been treated unjustly by the mass media.
If the electrologists do not find a sponsor who finances a serious and rigorous study. Hairtell is the perfect platform.
It’s time to TALK!
oh yeah!
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