electrolysis update, (Simran)

I had the same problem with the electrolygist I was seeing. She seemed to be talking more and more and using her arms to talk and answering the phone and seeing who was coming in the door. She was still charging me the same and the thing that bothered me the most was that she would leave hairs all over my face. I would clearly notice them and feel them as soon as I would leave. I kept telling her about them. I changed electrolygists and WOW what a difference. She uses a big magnifying glass and brighter bigger light. The light almost hurts my eyes. She gets every hair, and I mean every hair. She runs her finger back up against the way the hairs go just before she is finished to get any coarse blonde ones she can’t see. Even if the hairs are in the last stages I want her to get those because then I am hair free and I wouldn’t know personally which ones to pluck. She starts immediately when I get there and goes the full time right to the minute. She talks most of the time but it doesn’t interfer with her work. I went to three different people before I found her.

One small note about time. I can’t say that your electrologist is using this feature, but the Silhouet-Tone VMC machine has a timer setting that automatically stops the billing clock any time the probe has not been inserted in the skin for longer than 30 - 45 seconds. IF she were using that feature, talking with her hands, answering the phone, and even leaving the room would not add to your billed treatment time. It would put her behind schedule for the rest of her scheduled clients, but would not cost you money. If on the other hand, you can clearly see where you have not been touched, and the treatment clock moves 2 minutes, then this feature has not been selected.

I never charge clients for non-treatment time. Of course, I don’t have a staff of other people depending on me to make payroll at the moment, so I can be a softy cream puff.

she doesnt over charge me that i no as last week she did about 35 minutes to 40 minutes yet only charged me for 30. she does use the timer as last time she told me she had it set for 30 minutes.

by the way she does have other staff about 5 or so…cause she runs a salon on one side and a beauty therapy side in the other room. about 2-3 of her staff also do electrolysis each being about 4-5 years experience however i picked her as i thought staff can change but owners changing would only hapen if the place closed down as well as i was told she got 20 year experience

im just feeling depresed now, sure my side burn area is luking way beter then what i started with and u cannot notice the left out hairs or the tiny finer ones unless really close up and i cover my sides with styling my hair a certain way n leaving it open…

but my upper lip since i started electrolysis i stoped plucking that area all together which was 3 months ago so you can imagine by now what it may be looking like and im hating it and being very self concious…also im noticing very finer hairs near the mouth(laughter line area) i dont want to shave this area either coz again she mite pick what she likes from there and il be left with prickly bits near my mouth <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

il see what see says next week when i go in and tell her nicely of course that i want a full hour done and also for her to do everything she sees using her glasses

thank you everyone for your support and input very much appreciated.

ah one more thing does castor oil have any links to increase hair growth? or any other ingrediants in products that i should look out for?

ok update time had another appt this week thursday, and everything being the same as before, but this time i actually did the amount of time that i wanted so its all good finally <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> and im seeing reduction in areas as well which is a good sign hopefully they stay that way meaning keeep reducing and hairs dont come back there

hi,

i have a question…m thinking of getting my wisdom teeth removed so its gona be a lil dental operation, m wondering what effect it will have on my electrolysis treatment if any?

i mean will i have to stop treatment before and after my lil dental op? and for how long before and after?

please advise

thanks.

ps: sorry i havnt updated this thread for a long time but i will sooon on my progress overall as soon as i hit my 6 month aniversary mark for the treatment lol which is sooon <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Other than scheduling electrolysis for a time as soon as possible after a dental appointment including numbing injections for lip work, dental work has no significance to your treatment schedule with electrolysis.

At six months, you should be at a point where your electrologist is getting a full clearance every time, or is very close to doing that. You are three months away from the point where you should never see anything close to what you used to see ever again.

Thank you James for your quick reply.

Hmm well you remeber i had a bleach done 1-2 months ago, anyway after i read your reply i took a look at my side burn area again. and well i see some blond hairs. Since some hairs maybe be blond they maybe giving the appearance of a more gappy area. Cause when i had the bleach done even my electrologist said that the area looked as if i had no hair.

anyway that aside, my sideburn area does look alot gappy i dont no if the bleached hairs that i cant see are also adding to this.

my electrologist is still taking the treat only growing hairs route and only does about 30 minutes at a time. However now after doing 15 minutes or so im told theres no hairs to treat i dont no if she means no hairs at all or no growing hairs to treat. Also due to this im changing my schedule instead of weekly from now on m going every 2 weeks.

i just saw today a number of finer hairs which anoyed me and i will mention these to her to treat them, i dont no if she left them from last time cause i havnt been paying that much close attention to the hairs anymore.

i even tie my hair up <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> now.

she has kind of been treating the lip area too but not as dedicatedly as the sideburn, and also just the corner bits not the full lip area. Today i saw hairs on the corner bits too and think she missed them again last time coz they look abit long so yea will mention them to her in next appt

Iv also been getting my brow area done which is looking quite good actually, and i havnt plucked my brows in months maybe 4-5 months now lol just havnt got round to finding my plucker but electrolysis is keeping them tidy

finer hairs on forehead ( only notciable when very close)…well again in mirror i saw them today (and i thought there werent any hairs to treat) will ask my electrolgist whats hapening to the forehead she hasnt touched the area for ages.

I no i said il make an appointment to look for another electrolgist one who does all the hairs but i have slipped into this routine so well just been lazy and the other one iv been meaning to check out is far but i will soon <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

the reason why i havnt been paying more attention to the hair department is iv been more worrried about how my skin is looking. dull, dry and uneven and hyperpigmentation…
yes i been drinking loads of water, use a pigmentation cream and spf 30 sunblock but its not making a difference

heres what m thinking of doing…going a raw food diet well slowly starting with eating more fruits and veges also m cutting out all meats. drink more water…buy a higher spf sunblock possibly 50/60 (m still looking at options for that). buying a different pigmentation cream after my current one finishes hate the thought of money going to waste <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
maybe invest in a glycolic acid based product as well which hopefully will speed up the results of my pigmentation cream. yes and more sleeep of course. plus adding excersise to my routine
if the above doesnt work then arrgh il think about it later and do more research on this for now

also electrolysis isnt helping either with the skin issue i mean pigmentation marks, my skin doesnt look as smoooth any more and the treated area just looks dull and well i see pigmentation there…

well yes i had pigmentation problem before but my skin wasnt as uneven as it is now so maybe its because of electrolysis…this uneveness

im trying to keep my patience with my treatment just hope it finishes faster and no more hair problem. for now i just dont think bout it which helps you no out of mind out of sight kinda thing

anyway i will give a full update on electrolysis when i hit 6 months exactly

by the way if anyone has any tips for this uneven skin/pigmentation problem id appreciate it, thanks

wow been quite a long time since i gave an update m sorry been quite busy and i wanted to add up everything my total number of hours etc etc here so i got out all my receipts today n added em up and here it is.

Total number of hours and minutes of electrolysis done:
12 hours and 40 minutes

Total Cost: $958

Time since i started my first treatment: 6 months 3 weeks to 7 months

Areas getting done:
sideburns mainly… sometimes chin 3-4 course hairs that sumtimes come up… sumtimes neck 5-10 course-long finer hairs that sometimes show up… i also get between brow area and sometimes brow, geting them permanantly in shape <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> seems a good idea and sometimes i get forehead done…also upper lip (however only the corner areas for now but havnt done anything here for about 3-4 weeks now not that its clean, there are hairs there but just not treated as last appt was outa time to treat them and in a way m glad too cause cause the appt b4 my last i 3-4 days later i saw some deep wrinkle lines from nose to lip near corner of mouth where u smile.that scared the shit outa me m only 21 even my mom doesnt have lines that deep! so it cant be genetic…and im 21 only so not old and plus i wear my sunblock religiosly and i never had that line before i started electrolysis so its gota be cause of the treatment however my electrologist dint think so…said it was a wrinkle coz of smiling yea rite i dont smile that much and even if that were true u dont get that deep a wrinkle at my age and i mean this is what u see on sum 45 plus women. but yea i started massaging bio oil on the area and i noticed after a week it started smoothing out abit and now its not as deep a fine line and now i use rosehip oil or the bio oil whateva im in mood for. and not having had treatment there for 3-4 weeks now is helping with my oil massage in the area. i even added almonds and things to my diet so i get all the good fats in me for me skin etc <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I MEAN WHAT DO THE PROS HERE RECOMMEND, DO I STOP THERE TREATMENT ALTOGETHER FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS? BUT THEN I THINK WHY NOT GET OVER AND DONE WITH IT AND DO THE HEALING PROCESS LATER BUT THEN I THINK IT BE ALSO A WASTE, THE HAIRS WILL GET OUT OF PHASE AND COUPLE OF MONTHS LATER IL HAVE TO START THE WHOLE PROCEDURE AGAIN OF GETTING THE HAIRS IN PHASE…BUT THEN IM SCARED I DONT WANT TO DAMAGE MY SKIN AT MY AGE WHAT DO I DO ABOUT THIS SOMEONE PLEASE SOMEONE HELP?

Update currently… i started treatment from every week to every second week about 1-2 months ago. However my last treatment was i had 3 week rather then 2 as my electrologist was away but now m back to every second week as i have scheduled my next appt as such.

my last treatment we did 40 minutes
There were a number of long fine hairs. Even the ones that do grow back are becomming finer even though i did not have course hairs to begin with when i started electrolysis, even my electrologist mentioned its geting harder to see some of the hairs even with her glasses as they are finer.

Last treatment she cleaned up most of the hairs but i still have a few longer finer hairs near the jaw bone ear area which i can see when i look in mirror side ways which i assume have gotten old too now but my electrologist hopefully will tackle them next appt.

the pros are that im seeing more gaps in the sideburn area, the hairs are sparse (i think thats the word)…my electrologist said is easier for her now too since hairs are separate and far apart coz of the gaps its easier to spot them too.
my chin and neck stay clear for 3-4 weeks and at times the odd 1-2 hairs pop up on the chin which seem course kinda compared to the side burn hairs.
and some pop up on neck.

since the hairs that doo pop up on sideburn are fine and even the ones that i have currently the longer one that my electrologist dint treat last time since they are fine you cant see them my side burns look hair free which is like a real plus point for me i even been tieing my hair up without being self consious…the only time i can see those hairs are when im looking for them in the mirror about 1-2 inches away even then it seems like they are normal bunch of hairs not the self consicous type growth so if i wanted i could stop treatment altogether now! lol but then iv come so far why not complete the whole thing for good.

also treatment is kinda more sore now but still bearable maybe coz m not going in everyweek so not used to it i guess lol i have scabs about 2-3 days after treatment actually i dont think i even had scabs in my last treatment <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> cause i cant remeber its been a week now n i dont remeber seeing any however when i run my fingers over the side i can feel tiny lil bumps, the skin is not smooth m hoping this will go away once all treatment is stoped altogether?
also in 1-2 places i can see pin prick marks these also m hoping will go away and the skin will be back to normal when all treatment is stoped?

anyway this is what i got from the receipts etc
MONTH MINUTES
28-Jul |60
05-Aug |20
12-Aug |15
19-Aug |20
27-Aug |30
02-Sep |30
09-Sep |60
23-Sep |45
30-Sep |30
07-Oct |30
14-Oct |30
21-Oct |30
04-Nov |45
11-Nov |30
22-Nov |30
29-Nov |30
08-Dec |30
13-Dec |50
29-Dec |30
10-Jan |30
23-Jan |45
13-Feb |40

also as you can see i been constant with my treatments and in the end i hope it works as i been led to belive. Cause i hope that whateva results m seeing now gaps etc is not just cause the hairs there are not in growing phase at the moment. im hoping they have been killed and killed for good! hopefully not the case of hairs being outa phase and my horror of all horrors them all growing back after a couple of months… guess il see the full result once when all treatment is stoped altogether after a goood 6 months or so.

anyway so yea if SOMEONE COULD PLEASE ADVISE ME HERE ABOUT WHAT SHOULD I DO FOR THE HAIRS ON THE UPPER LIP AREA? STOP TREATMENT OR NOT STOP TREATMENT? IF STOP THEN FOR HOW LONG? OR SHOULD I LOOK FOR A DIFFERENT ELECTROLOGIST THAT WILL DO A BETTER JOB FOR THE LIP AREA? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

also in cause ur wondering why in beginning the time was less coz well she did the, treat the hairs only in growing phase and lets not waste time doing others and thats what she did so m assuming thats why its less

SIMRAN.

I skimmed your post, and will read it more carefully tomorrow when I get a chance. Because it is late, I will have more enthusiasm to respond tomorrow.

Maybe James, Barbara or Arlene will catch your post before I can get back to you and help you sort things out.

Thanks,

Dee

You are seven months into this. I like your consistency and just seeing that you are doing your part makes me feel positive that you will be successful.

Pulling your hair back now, having less scabbing, sparser hair on the sideburns hints to a good outcome.

Your upper lip wrinkling concerns you the most. Is the wrinkle located on just one side as oppossed to both sides? How many treatments did you have to your upper lip? How did you heal each time afterwards?

Yes, it is possible that a “wrinkle” can be created if hairs are treated too close together with too much current for too long of a time. It’s hard for me to declare to you that electrolysis caused your wrinkle as you might expect, because I can’t see you or possibly know about your treatment parameters. I CAN say to you that you need to trust what you see and trust your instincts about whether you should push on. Ask others who know you up close what they think. Do they notice something really different about your your lip? This is not exactly scientific, I know, but sometimes we women can magnify any and all of our flaws X 100. Just ask our boyfriends and husbands.

If you think the massaging with oil is fixing the problem, then keep doing it by all means.

I would be concerned for you if you told me that you had repeated hard core side effects for several days after each treatment. Tiny bumps and pin prick marks will heal and fade away.

I subscribe to the “when in doubt, DON’T” model for making a decision. If you are uneasy with your upper lip, just hold off and give it time to heal. You can start up again when you feel all looks good. Don’t worry so much about the hair growth cycle stuff in this instance, healing is more important. When you decide to resume treatment with her or someone else later on, you’ll be happy that you put the hair growth cycle concerns as a secondary consideration.

I’m tipping toward caution concerning your upper lip because I can’t see you. I guess you could ask her to direct her attention instead toward conquering your long, fine jawbone hairs, instead. Show her areas where you want her to work. I ask my clients each time before we start a treatment what area is bugging them the most and we dig in and get down to business.

Dee

dee thank you so much for your input.

ok the thing is when i first saw the rather deep wrinkle it was on the left side. i had one on my ride side too but this one seemed a faint fine line compared to the left side.

by the way m getting thermolysis done. the hairs are fine not course even though i use to pluck the area before electrolysis. also we havnt touched at all the upper middle bit of the lip. The hairs are also quite close together.
normally on the lip area its slightly red after treatment but i have neva had any scabs on the area after treatment. last couple of weeks since noticing the wrinkle i noticed tiny pin prick holes like open pores where the hairs were treated(thats the best i can describe) hopefully this will heal too. i have hyperpigmentation around the mouth area more soo after starting electrolysis. sometimes when odd hairs show up on side of the mouth below the cheek before i used to notice where the hairs were treated i had hyperpigmentation in this area like dot size brownish blackish mark. however upon using a hyper pigmentation cream this problem got fixed but i still currently have hypigmentation (uneven skintone) round the mouth, chin area compared to rest of my face (i dont mean dot size marks).

i cant remeber exactly how many treatments altogether on the lip but i no that we did work there on a few hairs during each treatment. give or take 2-3 treatments from beginning and not including the last treatment so id guess about 18 treatments

your suggesting i ask others about the wrinkle or the hair problem on the upper lip?

well my sis noticed for sure about the wrinkle. ever since i noticed this wrinkle i been comparing mine to other women i see even to my mom n i did not see wrinkle to this extent on her face either and shez 42. As far as asking family about my hair problem or the wrinkle(cause m sure mum will be asking how come i got it when i dint seem to have any lines at all couple of months ago) plus electrolysis is my secret which i cannot talk to about with my family as they would never agree with such a treatment especially my mom!

oh man talking to my boyfriend about problem god that be soo embarasing asking about the hair problem or the wrinkle plus he is not in the country at the moment lol

thank you so much dee for your help just hearing your opinion makes me feel alot better then going on about the problem by myself. i think il see how the wrinkle is looking bby the time my next appt comes up and if it still seems worse il give the treatment a miss on the area

wow its beeeen sooooo long but i had to totally dig this up i will post an extensive review of my 2 year journey with this process well thats what i would call it. But before i do i need to sort out how much i have spent on this and how many treatments and how many minutes of this i have had done!!! i will get my electrologist to email me the record cause after a while i certainly left count and lazy cause i got busy.
In a way im abit dispointed in the sense as i thought i would be TOTALLY DONE WITH THIS THING not touch ups needed after all this time. will tell more once i get my records
and by the way wow has this forum changed or what in terms of looks :smiley: but most things are still same i see especially nice to see James Walker still here active on the board

Glad to see you back, and finishing your story. Most people never come back to say they are done and happy.

As for me, many people would love to have me shut up and disappear, but for now, the mouth goes on. :wink: :tired:

Well James i dont think we would want you to shut up lol. It is nice you and dee and many others who are still active on this board helping out many people here. And just reinforces my opinion that ya all are not here to rip people of or market yourself but actually to HELP when i see you here after 2 years or so :stuck_out_tongue:

Ok so following on to my review, it is as follows

I posted this on 20 Feb 2006.


anyway this is what i got from the receipts etc
MONTH MINUTES
28-Jul |60
05-Aug |20
12-Aug |15
19-Aug |20
27-Aug |30
02-Sep |30
09-Sep |60
23-Sep |45
30-Sep |30
07-Oct |30
14-Oct |30
21-Oct |30
04-Nov |45
11-Nov |30
22-Nov |30
29-Nov |30
08-Dec |30
13-Dec |50
29-Dec |30
10-Jan |30
23-Jan |45
13-Feb |40

Continuing on from this;
27-Feb |45
20-Mar |30
6 -Apr |25
26-Apr |25
18-May |30
8 -Jun |30
29-Jun |45
19-Jul |30
10-Aug |30
27-Aug |30
18-Spt |30
12-Oct |30
1 -Nov |30
23-Nov |30
27-Dec |30

Year 2007
18-Jan |30
22-Feb |25
15-Mar |25
5-Aprl |25
26-Apr |30
25-May |25
28-Jun |20
12-Jul |10

Total Spent so far $1995-00

As you can see i have followed advice and kept my treatments consistent and still am. It is abit horrifying to see how much i have spent so far.

Good thing is:
I only go in for touch ups now as you can see it is either 3-4 weeks i no i need a touch up when i see noticeable hairs. These appear generally on chin.

Areas i started with electrolysis: Mainly Sideburns and some on chin. Added in upper lip and eyebrows later on.

Sideburns and chin generally stay clear what grows is very fine hair that takes 4-5 minutes to clean now and my electrologist always says she has to hunt for these.

I still get those 4-5 hairs on chin that appear which makes me aware it is time for touch up. These hairs are course and black which is very anoying after two years to see!!

I also get eyebrows and upperlip done. However dont get upper lip area done religiosly she probly takes out 3-4 hairs when i go in from there it doesnt look bad the upper lip and hairs are not noticeable there only if im like an inch from the mirror i notice em lol so i dont mind these.

Eyebrows - generally stay in shape round the 3-4 week mark i see the odd hairs sprouting.

Last treatment she hunted for hairs on sideburns and chin and it took her 4 minutes, the rest she spent on eyebrows. Dint have much as you can see it was only 2 weeks since previous treatment so i had expected a lesser time.

In a way im happy i dont have scars, it dont even look like im getting electrolysis done or that i have had. That wrinkle problem i mentioned before it is not a concern now, i only see a light wrinkle when i have dryer skin.

I drink water but i been lazy as i beeen very busy and i also drink coffee on stress days. I do notice when i do this the pain is higher when i go in for treatments.
Funny thing is i dont have much downtime. My skin is red for about half and hour so im always out and shopping i dont have to stay in the house on treatment days.

I also admit i dont do much aftercare. The electrologist puts the aloevera cream after treatment. Then at night i cleanse my skin usually using my normal cleanser and i put the aloevera cream. Next day im back to my normal skincare routine. I have not see any negative effects from this i guess my skin has adjusted to having electrolysis treatments.

Positive: Treatments times are much lesser, can tie hair back, have my confidence back and it looks like im almost completed.

Negative: Amount spent, Im still not done which is depressing as after over 2 years from consistent treatment i thought i would be completly permanantly done with this no touch ups needed nothing. And im scared because im still having to go for touch ups that maybe when i stop for a good six months il see this has not worked at all. SHOULDNT I BE COMPLETLY DONE JAMES, DEE?
i think if i had the opportunity to get it done by James maybe i would have been done. As my hairs were not course to begin with but finer type hairs and increase in area was result of laser hair removal i had done previously.

Please tell me shall i tell her to like increase the current or something. Cause i really really think i should have been completly done by now. In fact i remeber sending you my before pictures James prior to starting this, and your opinion on them was it looks like i should be done in 9 months. I no that was an estimate as you could not see me in person being in a different country and all and had to make do with pictures but really 9 months and more than 2 years and still needing touch ups.

Please advice does it look like she is doing something wrong with her technique or something? I m happy with her service but really i want to stop going in now. I Have to say im afraid to go on holidays and put it of just for the sake keeping the treatments consistent.

I would like to also mention if she does find any course hairs such as the ones on chin that sprout out she zaps em 2-3 times sometimes turns up the current as well.

Long review, but i thought it should help with getting things into perspective and i welcome any comments or advice on this.
thanks.

Simran,

You noted that you are horrified that you spent almost $2,000 for electrolysis over the past 2 years yet you still have a few hairs in the extensively treated areas. Although you got the idea from other posters here that you can finish in 9 months, it is best to put that in perspective. Understand that all of the follicles that are capable of producing a hair, will not necessarily present itself within 9 months. Enough follicles can remain dormant and then produce a hair even after 2 years – which is why some clients will need to visit occassionally for the 5 minute clean-ups.

Which is why some clients, who finished electrolysis when they were 25, for example, might visit electrolysis once again when they are 55, since menopause (hormones) signalled some of those dormant follicles to produce a hair.

I also want to note that $1995 for cosmetic enhancement, where the practitioner has devoted about 20 hours, is not unreasonable. Many clients spend thousands of dollars for a single cosmetic treatment where the procedure just takes a single afternoon and then, many of these procedures are temporary as skin continues to age.

Thank you for sharing your concerns, your progress, your frustrations, your questions… I have appreciated following your journey through your posts.

Nine months is a minimum figure and I can say truthfully that I have had many clients come through my door who were basically done in 9 months and I mean for all facial areas from upper lip to eyebrows, chin and side burns. It depends on the hair problem and their scheduled appointments to get the hair cleared and kepp it cleared for the duration, whether this happens or not. Now, that 9 month period also depends on the electrologist’s skill and equipment, so, that variable in your situation may be different than James, myself and others. There are many others that complete treatments in twelve months as well,depends on their particular situation. Rarely do I see anyone for two years unless there have been frequent interruptions due to life in general.

All in all, I agree with Arlene that $2,000 is not a lot of money to spend to get permanent hair removal for all the areas you mentioned on your face. Most of my clients, who are well to do or lower income, say hands down, it is worth the effort and money to have the hair permanently gone. Your electrologist is getting the job done. Give her a hug. We electrologists are all different in our technique, speed, equipment used, personality, etc., but we all can usually get a client to a permanent level of satisfaction if they establish a routine.

I see nothing here that you need to worry about. Give her a hug.

Dee

Simran, if you feel your electrologist should have finished in 9 months, ask her about it. Since you had so many areas treated, and your appointments were usually around half an hour, did she have an opportunity to completely clear all areas at each appointment?

I think inviting your electrologist to participate in these discussions at HairTell would be wonderful as often, we just surmise based on limited information.

You have had about 20 hours worth of treatment stretched over a 2 year period. Because your appointments were overall, short, your situation looks fine to me and I agree, give her a hug.

All the best.

well i know 9 month mark would be pretty kool to get it all done but i dint expect it however i thought by the 2 years it should be completed fully.

The reason why the treatments were pretty short is because of not what i booked but she suggested i should need half an hour or 40 minutes next treatment. Usually she books me in for the 1 hour slot but charges whatever she uses to clean up the area. When we started i was asked to shave the area and she said this is so that she can only treat the growing hairs and she even bleached it once ot twice and said next time you come in we can spot the black growing hairs. This strategy i reckon was kool as i did not end up wasting money on hairs that were dead/ soon fall off to begin with.

i did tell her about this forum when i began dunno whether she is actually registered :).

I do think now and then im glad to have found her as my electrologist as i have not had any problems with her so far. And i have told her this:p Lol it is funny the way she gets happy when she finds a course hair so she can kill the bugger lol from her attitude it does look like she is determined to kill em and get me cleaned up for good which i do like.

thanks for your comments dee and arlene. i wont loose hope hopefully i will be completly done in a couple of months without the need for touch ups. Im just getting abit tired going at this for 2 years now.

i really do curse lasers for stimulating this problem in the first place. hmm i have recommended my frends and on other forums this board for electrolysis as i reckon you guys are always soo helpful with this process and the information you give out.
I am totally against laser now will never go back to it.
And once i see im completly done with the facial hair.
I will start electrolysis with hairs on arms. They are pretty fine to begin with but what can i say im getting abit adicted to the hairfree look lol