Entire body treatment... Needs advices pls

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
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Hello all,

First of all, I would like to apologize for my bad english, I’m french, but i will move to California next summer…

I took a hormonal treatment, which gave me horrible hair all over my body :((
Well, I just started electrolysis treatment in Paris on this following areas:

  • face (fine hair)
  • arms (between fine and coarse ahir)
  • tummy (fine but long hair)
  • nipples (some dark and coarse hair, but mainly fine but long hair)
  • back (fine hair)
    I would need some advices about the number of treatments needed, after a complete first clearance…
    Do you think I should treat the hairs as soon as they grow back, or should I wait regarding the heir regrowth cycle (wich is different from an area to another…).

Also, what would you advise me concerning a better healing? Here in France, the “rose musquée” oil from Chili is very popular… did anyone ever heard of it? What would be the best?

Do you think that electrolysis results are scars free? because I started my arms this summer, and I still have light spots… Is that normal, or will it remain forever?

Thanks to all that will help me, I was soooooo happy when I discovered this site, because electrolysis is not very popular here, and there are no sites like that in France…

I will keep you in touch about my treatments…

PS I also started laser treatments on legs and bikini, and everything is working well for now…

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  • What hormonal medication did you take?

  • You should be going in to treat the hair as soon as it shows up again so you can kill it while it’s weak. If you do this religously on all areas you’re treating, you will be done within 12-18 months after your first clearance. We can’t estimate number of treatments and how long the treatments are since we don’t know how many hairs you’re treating on each area and the rate of growth etc. You’ll be able to tell when you start. After a while, you’ll be going in less and less often.

  • You shouldn’t have any permanent side effects from electrolysis. What you’re describing doesn’t sound like scars. It sounds like pigmentation, which goes away with time. However, there are ways to prevent and avoid it which depend on the machine used, settings, used, aftercare, skill of electrologist, etc. That’s why it’s important to sample electrologists and pick one that gives you minimum side effects.

  • The best aftercare involves avoiding makeup and anything with chemicals until the treated skin heals. And meanwhile, only applying witch hazel during the day and tea tree oil (melaleuca) at night.

  • Please read the laser FAQs and make sure you’re using the best laser for your skin type.

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Thank you very much for your response lagirl!!!

  • The hormonal medication I took was named “androcur”, I took it for acne, but I know some doctors advise it as a medication for hirsutism as well, and to be honest, I simply can’t understand such a thing! I mean it gave me hair all over the body, so how could it help against hirsutism? :o

  • As far my electrologist is concerned, I know she’s very skilled, bacause I have tried other and she’s the best… She also told me that I sould treat the hair as soon as the grow back, but other doctors told me that I should go back every 2 months, not as soon as the hair show up (according to them, it’s totally useless)… Now I’m still wondering what would be the best, since treating that way (as soon as the hair show up) will cost more money… Are you 100% sure? I mean if yes, I won’t mind spending more money, to finish the treatment faster, but if it’s useless… :confused:
    And do you know the hair regrowth cycles according to the area treated, just to have an idea?

  • She’s using the Silhouet Tone sequentium VMC machine, set on termo-blend. The setting used is always “fine hair”, do you think my treatment would be more effective if she used higher settings (like coarse hair)? Btw, she always uses the L1 probe: she says that it’s minimum side effects.

  • How long do you think it will take the pigmentation goes away? Does it also mean that I should avoid sun exposure untill it’s completely okay?

  • Concerning the laser, my skin type is III. I used laser lyra yag for 5 treatments, but I still had hair :frowning: . So now I started again with Alexandrite Gentle Lase… do you think this kind of laser is good?

I’ll try to post some pictures, and will keep you posted about my treatments (I’m having about 25 hours per month).

Thanks for reading and helping me! x

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  • Yes, it costs more money up front, but it will cost less in the long run. If you wait too long, the hair goes in the next phase of growth and can’t be killed anymore. So the treatments become useless. You need to come in as soon as new hair shows up. That’s when you have the greatest chance at killing it for good because it’s still weak and in the right FIRST growth phase called anagen.

  • Lyra is not a good Yag and you shouldn’t be using a Yag with your skin type. GentleLASE is 100 times better and one of the best machines on the market for your skin type. Of course, you need to make sure they’re using effective settings. All treated hair should shed 2-3 weeks after each treatment.

  • Pigmentation can last 1-6 months. It really depends. Higher electrolysis settings could cause more pigmentation. If the hair is coming out properly without much resistance when she’s using electrolysis on you, the settings are fine. It sounds like you need to address the aftercare routine. What are you doing now to help the skin heal?

  • Hormonal medication varies in how it affects different people. Some may see less growth, some may see more. It’s similar to birth control pills. One may make you sick, but may be the best one for someone else.

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On the point of frequency, here is what your doctor either forgot, or never learned:

On your first appointment, you have some hairs in growing phase, some in shedding phase, and some in resting phase. The hairs in growing phase are the ones that will get a 100% removal kill rate assuming the treatments are done correctly. The kill rate goes down from there, and reaches zero on resting hairs.

By clearing full areas, and then reclearing them as new hairs come in (an average of once every 2 to 4 weeks depending on the area) one will always be working on nothing but growing hairs each and every time one has work done, instead of a mixed bag of hairs in different phases, when we can only be assured of success with hairs on one growth phase. Now would you rather be playing chase with this game of “Whack-A-Mole” or would you rather have all the “moles”/hairs be standing up and an easy target to just be hit all at once?

Yes, it is more hours in the beginning. But it is less hours total for treatment. I know, because I have clients who come to me on this large up front and trail off system who are done with their hair removal in 12 months, and others who come in whenever they want, who are still removing hairs 5 years later. I make more money off the 5 year people, but they don’t help my reputation any.

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First of all, I wanted to let you know that I didn’t have internet access lately, so I’m sorry I didn’t keep you updated before…

Also thank you very much James and LAgirl for your answers.

I need to find out how to upload pictures, but before, I have some other questions, any reply would be appreciated…

  1. I asked my electrologist to readjust her settings by uping the hair type and the intensity ( I really can tolerate a lot of current… which is a good thing I guess). I ve been told that I would provide a faster treatment, that way, the hair will be killed faster… Now, as professionnals, do you agree with that theory? I mean, for instance, if you’re treating fine hair with a high current, and with the same settings as for bikini, do you think that instead of 9/12 months, it will take less time??

  2. I thought I would start the back area, but I actually still didnt finish to clear other areas… I want to start my back in january. I have very fine hair on back, but sometimes kind of long, so it’s only noticeable in some lights. Since I never waxed or anything else on that area, do you think I could be done in about 6/8 months? I don’t expect to be 100 % bare on my back, I would just that long hair to become “baby hair”, like most people have (I hope you see what I mean…).

  3. As far after care is concerned, do you think I should use tea tree oil (night) and aloe vera gel (day) only for 1 to 2 weeks after treatment, and then common body moizturer, or do you think I only should use that duo for a better healing and skin quality?

I appologize for my mistakes, since english is not my mother tongue…

Thank you for your responses!!! I am sooooo happy I found a board with so many informative people who give excellent advises and who know their job!!! THANK YOU!!!

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Fist of all, all my best whishes to you all! May this year be the year of the end of hair on us :smiley:

I was on vacation, I got back home yesterday and will restart my treatments on saturday…

Could anyone answer before I start again please?

Thanks for reading

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There is a treatment energy that properly treats the hair. Any lower will allow the hair to come back weaker and thinner next time. Treatment of the hair at a level higher than the needed amount will cause unnecessary pain, while causing additional unneeded tissue injury, and will open the door to post treatment side effects.

You don’t want someone to treat to your pain tolerance, you want them to use what is needed to eliminate the hair, and nothing more. The only thing additional treatment energy does, is it compensates for a poor insertion into the follicle.

The Tea Tree Oil overnight and Aloe during the day should be followed for 2 to 3 days after a treatment.

Don’t worry about your English. The French forgave me for mangling their language when I visited France and French Canada.

Je parle Francaise un peu. J’ai appris juste assez pour obtenir giflé au visage. :wink:

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Thanks James for your good advises :slight_smile:

Oh and your french is really good… but now I’m wondering… what did you say to get back a ‘gifle’ lol ?

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It is just a joke, that I don’t know if it translates to french all that well. You see, when an american learns french, often all he remembers is how to ask a lady out on a date, so to speak. Ask the wrong lady, or ask in the wrong way and you get a ‘gigle’ for a reply. :grin:

After all, the first words of french that many americans learn is the chorus to the song Lady Marmalade, which is Voulez-Vous Chouchez Avec Moi Ce Soir? No one ever bothers to tell them what that means, and the song doesn’t make that clear either. So this is often the first thing an american says to any french person. Works great for the ladies, not so well for the gentlemen. :smiley:

But seriously, I was treated well in France, even though most of the service staff smiled and said, “I speak English” when ever I ordered something in French.

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Lol! I knew it was that :stuck_out_tongue:
When I travelled in the states, all americans said that to me too, but noone was giggled lol
It’s just funny

And that happened probably because french people are well known to be very bad in foreign languages lol

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See, I just did it in type!
The difference between Gifle and Gigle would be the difference between a slap in the face, and a laugh in the face. Oh La La!

At least with the Voulez-Vous question, it does come off better than if it were said Toulez-Tu :whistle: I mean, that would be just TOO Presumptive!

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Update of my treatment:

I’m still doing like 30 hours per months of electrolysis, and I do see a good improvement especially on my arms (I started my treatment on this area in may 2008), face and abdomen :))

But for some reasons, and I really don’t understand why, some hair became thicker :s… Do you think it would be better to treat those resistant hair with the blend method? (I’m doing thermolysis)??

I can’t wait to be done with my treatment (whole body)…at least I hope I’ll be done by the summer for the arms!

Thanks again to all of you for your support and your good advises!

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Could someone answer my question about the blend please?
I mean, on hair that seem to come back again and again, dou you think it would be better to treat them with the blend method, instead of termolysis?

Thanks!

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The type of electrolysis doesn’t matter. Only good treatment does.

Having said that, one would appear to have all the hair, or most of the hair returning during the first 3 months even if all hairs were cleared each and every time. If you are not clearing all hairs, one would notice even less removal.

A statistical fact is that one must lose 50% of the hair in an area before one notices that any has been lost.

This is why we preach First Clearance, Frequent Full Clearances, and Consistency.