Should I Stay or Should I go now?

Hi Everyone,

I had only had an hour of galvanic previous to buying blocks of time and really deciding to kick my facial hair in the butt. :slight_smile: That and some laser.

I found a professional close to home and it seemed really convenient but she started getting weird on me basically accusing me of being a gay male through innuendo instead of accepting me as a woman.

I noticed that sometimes she would not disinfect my face either before or after treatment. She started taking calls while I was on the clock…

I had suspected it for a while but now fully came to realize that she is zapping one follicle with the needle and then pulling as many as 5 hairs before zapping another follicle. I asked her about this and she stated that with her microscope she can see below the surface and if she sees that the root bulb is coming up towards the surface, she will just pull it to prepare it for the next session. She says that zapping it prematurely wouldn’t be helpful.

What she says makes sense but given my experiences with her and wanting to get the most for my money… I am just concerned and wanted to get some opinions. Does anyone have any suggestions, am I worrying about nothing?

With as many hairs that I see doing electrolysis, I can’t say I can see below the skin surface, however, I do notice a pattern of distinction that tells me that some hairs are in the non-growing phase. Occassionally, I will tweeze these hairs, since they are about to shed anyway. I will explain to the client what I am doing. I could treat these hairs, but it usually means more sensation for the client and more skin reaction, and, bottom line is, I’m not killing the hair follicle. So, I agree with her and maybe with her magnification she can see just below the surface? I understand what she is saying and I don’t think you need to worry. Ask her to see some epilated hair structures. Ask her to show you what the hair looks like that is in the anagen stage (growing) and ask her to show you a hair that is in the telogen stage (non-growing).

No advice for you on the weird part. I guess you could communicate with her about these other issues if you feel that you are thinking about it too much. We all need to have a little more moxie sometimes.

Dee

You indicate that she works on a hair and then tweezes 5? Is this correct? Conservatively speaking, more than half of the hairs growing on your face are in the anagen stage, the stage when it is best to have electrolysis, therefore, the 5:1 ratio is not correct.

In every stage, we can weaken the follicle which is why electrocoagulating the dermal papilla is not always enough to prevent regrowth. We can treat other areas within the lower part of the follicle at any time.

On the other issue, if you feel you are misunderstood, insulted, or whatever, why not address the issue with your practitioner? See how this type of interaction impacts your life.

you can also shave so that hairs in anagen are clearly visible. then you can see what she does. however, if you don’t feel comfortable with her based on her opinions as you say, i don’t know if i would stick around. are there other electrologists around? how many did you check out before this one?

Hey Sabrina,
Just a few things that might help put it in perspective. My electrologist, and actually every one I’ve gone to, hasn’t disinfected the area on starting. After finishing, they will apply this and that, but not always upon starting. If that is something that you really feel needs to be discussed and followed up on. Bring a small spray bottle, or some alcohol wipes and do it in the office before she starts. She’ll probably accommodate you and want you to be comfortable.

With the innuendo talk, really step back and look at the whole situation. Has it had to do with the way you came across? Are you looking into her words more than you should? Make sure you’re not reacting due to inner feelings that you may be dealing with. And of course, ask yourself if she just isn’t into having you as a client. Who knows, she may be very religious and have beliefs that come to the surface every now and then. She may have had bad experiences. Are you letting the conversation subject wander into areas that are bringing about this reaction?Is she just saying things out of the blue? You have to spend a lot of time with her, so if it’s not going to work, call it as you see fit. To be honest, you don’t come across too happy in your post.

The phone thing is tricky. Most electrologists work on their own. They don’t have a secretary. They do have answering machines, but an answering machine can’t reschedule a client calling in on the fly. Sometimes clients call, and they need to be spoken to. And, not all clients are going to call in the window of time between appointments, and that time may be already used to phone out returns and reminders. My electrologist will take calls every now and then. I see this as a necessary thing for her to run her business and to keep her regulars. People will only play phone tag for so long before they start considering other options, other electrologists. I would urge you to allow her some space on this issue.

On the last point, I just don’t know about that. We’ve heard this here before, the ol’ pluck and shuck. I say, just from my experience and knowledge, that only when the hair has a lightened pigment/skinny base, can you tell if it’s dormant, But that isn’t that often (?). Yes with longer growth, no on hair that’s been shaved in the last week. I can’t really answer that as good as I’d like. I don’t think it’s possible to see below the surface to that extent. What she may be doing is clearing, so she can know what’s new and what’s not. This type of clearing will extend out the time it takes to clear the area, but it may be what she considers a more directed approach. You can eliminate this by shaving three days prior. All hairs within her grasp will be active in some form, and she should zap each and every one of these -preventing over-treatment due to high hair density being the only exception. You have two pro opinions on this posted above, Dee and Arlene, so you need to sense which type of approach is going to work best for you.

Hopefully this helped a bit, but whatever you do, for the best for both of you, discuss it in a non-accusatory way with her. Make sure you listen to her explain herself and remember what she says so second opinions are more accurate. Make sure not to appear doubting her skills, and give yourself a good out, you don’t want her to pass words along to others that may make it difficult to get going with another. The electrology community in a town caan be tight knit.

In any case, good luck, let us know how it goes.

Mantaray

Sounds like you should be looking for someone else. It’s one thing to pull out random ā€˜tombstone’ remnants, but another to waste your appointment time yanking out hairs.

The whole thing sounds weird to me.

This person does not sound professional in several ways. For one, she should not be making any kind of statement or insinuation of who you are. It ā€œsoundsā€ like this person is being disrespectful to you. Also, electrologists are instructed to cleanse the skin before a treatment, and to apply an antiseptic before and after treatment. If she is taking calls, then some compensation for time should occur, plus she should be replacing her gloves (after degerming her hands) before she begins treating you again.

Regarding that ā€œtreat one, take fiveā€ thing - that sounds wrong to me. Especially with her explanation. If she is seeing the root bulb under the skin (which I seriously doubt) then it is a growing hair.

My advice - find another electrologist.

I copied and pasted this post to give you another perspective on the plucking issue. This strategy is used in relation to pre-shaving the area first, but it sounds like you may not have shaved??? At least you didn’t mention that. Again, it is not possible to see telogen hairs with their white, hard, round bulbs under the skin, but maybe she was identifying these type of hairs by their outward appearance,which can be done with good magnification, occasionally. If she is doing galvanic, perhaps this is her way of getting you ā€œcleared fastā€ so you don’t get frustrated with the pace of progress and give up???

If you talk to her about all the issues you mentioned and things still don’t settle right, I guess you gave her a fair chance and should not feel like you are being too hasty in moving on to consult with someone else. Here’s the post I mentioned at the beginning:

Re: Maximizing Electrolysis Success
James W. Walker VII, CPE James W. Walker VII, CPE
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Registered: 06/03/02
Posts: 3210
Loc: Buffalo NY, & Traveling the US…

Shaving makes it obvious what hairs are growing and which ones are not, because they will be at different lengths a day or two after shaving. This allows an electrologist to simply pluck the shedders, and treat only the anagens, if they choose that route.

Although there is a method that seems to kill hairs in all phases, most practitioners don’t practice it, and since it is the most painful technique known to electrologists, most consumers really would not finish if that was what everyone did, and lastly, it is unnecessary if one gets good fast treatment on schedule.

Getting to first clearance is the big goal, and then keeping the clearance maintained after that will allow one to be looking finished, while still working on the problem.

This thing with the plucking of shedding hairs, instead of treating them gets some electrologists in trouble with clients who are afraid they are getting bad service, because if they don’t communicate that this is the strategy they are employing, the client will not feel the treated hairs being removed, BUT THEY WILL FEEL ALL THE PLUCKING OF THE SHEDDING HAIRS, and think they are being cheated.

Communication is key.


The electrologist is using straight Thermolysis on me. Previously I had one hour of blend with a different electrologist. I am sorry I should have given more information. Also, I ā€˜always’ shave three days before an appointment.

Also now I can see that my comment that she could see under the skin may not have been related to how she determines which hairs to pluck untreated. She does use a powerful microscope and she mentioned previously that the magnification is so good that she can see under the surface. Later on she told me that she could tell which hairs were in a non-growing stage and I assumed she was able to tell by seeing under the skin, perhaps…

I used to think for a while that her tweezers were simply slipping off the hair she was trying to pluck but during some of the more quiet time when she was doing my upper lip I was able to tell for sure that she was pulling untreated hairs.

Occasionally she has wiped my face with witch hazel before treatment, occasionally afterwards. She does not seem consistent. I make certain my face is very clean before I go to see her.

She said to me that she used to spend a lot of time in gay bars because it was more fun. She told me about how she worked in a salon and how, ā€œAll kindsā€ of people would come into that salon. She mentioned how at one of the gay bars a friend of her’s commented on how attractive a certain woman was and how she replied to her friend, ā€œHoney, that’s no woman, that’s a man and if you don’t believe me you can go ask him.ā€ She then told me she could always tell who the gay men were and then she almost shouted, ā€œFine, if you don’t want to be honest with me then fine!ā€ That is an accurate recounting of what I experienced without any emotion on my part.

Hmmmm what else? I feel like I forgot something. I will enter this post and then scan through the posts again. Thank you everyone so much for all of your thoughtful and informative replies :slight_smile: !

I guess it is fair to conclude that she’s not behaving in a professional manner and you are uncomfortable with that. Are there other electrologists in your locale so you can begin another search?

Thanks for that extra information, sabrina.

Dee

Thank you for the replies dfahey :slight_smile: !

She appears to have gotten over the accusing me of being a gay male thing and things seem to be going well, but I am left wondering if she is silently taking it out on my face and my pocketbook? So I am hoping that people can give me an idea of what to do based upon what she is doing electrology wise.

I shared the innuendo accusation thing because I thought it might help people to realize why I an concerned about the quality of care I am receiving, if she hadn’t gone through that whole angry innuendo thing I would likely not be worrying near as much and just taking it for granted that this is the electrolysis experience.

She then told me she could always tell who the gay men were and then she almost shouted, ā€œFine, if you don’t want to be honest with me then fine!ā€

…Deal breaker. Move along and get on with your life. The sooner the better. You might want to politely let her know of cancelling the rest of the appointments. Don’t spend any time with someone that wants to get that far into your personal life. There’s some tension and personal history here, you don’t need it.

…But with your next electrologist, nip these conversational subjects in the bud.

Mantaray

I would be suspicious if my electrologist was just plucking out hair too. even if she didn’t say anything offensive. I think it’s time to find a new electrologist. it sounds like you know that and want a confirmation. unless there are absolutely none around besides here, i don’t see why not give the business to someone else.

Hi Sabrina:

It sounds like you should get another electrologist for two reasons. First you don’t trust whether she is plucking the hairs or not, and secondly you don’t like her questions and attitude with you. It is important to have faith in your electrologists ability and to at least get along since you have to spend a tremendous amount of time with her.

I have spent hundreds of hours with my electrologist and she has always treated me with dignity and respect. We chat a lot and I consider her a friend. 

One thing I can comment on based on personal experience is that people can be very ignorant concerning the sexuality of someone who is transitioning. They don’t know that gender and sexuality are separate things. People tend to assume things and one of those misconceptions they have is that MTF transsexuals are the same as drag queens and that we all prefer men and must all be gay. Even if someone was gay they still deserve respect, and it is not up to an electrologist or anyone else to hold an inquisition to categorize people.

I learned a long time ago to not let peoples misconceptions get me down. I am proud of who I am, but it took a lot of courage to get here. I don’t let shallow insensitive people get to me.
We can’t change the world but we can change how we react to it.

Alicia