Electrologist…do you find that people often give up because it takes longer than they thought. I dont want to give up on treatments I just wish I could see the light at the end of the tunnel.
The first four to six months is the hardest. You will not be finished before 9-18 months, but you will notice a huge difference between month 6-12 especially if all is being done correctly and you are not doing anything to pull the hair out in between sessions. THINK 9-18 MONTHS. SEVERE CASES MAY NEED 24 MONTHS.
Does any one know how I would find out where I could hire a Cosmetic Therapist or 2 for a new laser hair removal/electrology center?
Posting here is a good start, but the problem you will have is finding one who wants to be a part of a business other than their own. You will also have to make sure the compensation package is attractive enough to trade their autonomy.
Big Mouse,
Did you notice that you posted under me, a cosmetic therapist/electrologist in Columbus, Ohio!!!
You can PM me if you want and maybe I can give you some thoughts??
Hi everyone,
I hope I dont pose any problem by borrowing the thread…
I am a 23-year old male looking for electrolysis on my face. I have fine hair areas adjacent to my nose.I have not tweezed or nor shaved it.I also have fine hair growing on my cheekbones that need attention.The hair started to grow around 2 years ago after coming to Australia.
I have a question as there are too many responses…
1.Although hair grows in periods, will electrolysis permanently kill the hair follicle from future growth where it is applied?
I have around or less than 250 hairs that need to be treated.
I never understand WHY people give up. Clients…why don’t you tell your electrologist when (and why) you are giving up?
During the consultation, we try to explain that it takes time. I asked an acquaintance, who had come in three times (under 10 minutes each time) if she had given up on tx? She said yes, so I asked her why? Her response was that she thought it was permanent… I was flabbergasted… It makes me realize that I need to explain expectations MORE…
Dee: I think your quote, above, will be the new mantra of my consultation!!!
Do you mean that within 9-18 months, the hair is permanently killed?
Here is the hardest part for us to drill into the client’s/patient’s head: Although our work is permanent from the FIRST TREATMENT, the only way to prove that is to take a picture, do the treatment, take another picture, WAIT A YEAR, and then take another picture on the same day 365 days later. In the interim, other hairs will fill into the treated area, as they were NOT a part of the growing hair on the day of the treatments!
Your hair grows in cycles, and while one set of hairs is shedding, another is growing, and still another is making its way to the skin’s surface. If all this staggered cycle/phase stuff did not exist, you would grow hair all spring, have long lovely locks all summer, while it would fall out in the autumn, and you would be bald all winter long. SINCE that is NOT how it works, just trust us when we say that you have cycles, and that the hair you see in the treatment area 4 to 8 weeks after treatment is NOT from the same follicles we treated, but from nearby follicles fractions of a centimeter to the left or to the right of the ones we removed.
Furthermore, because of these cycles, it will take some time for it to appear as if we have made progress, ASSUMING YOU COME ON THE PROPER SCHEDULE, AND ALLOW US ENOUGH TREATMENT TIME, because one must lose 50% of the hair in an area before it appears to the naked eye as if there is a reduction in the amount of hair that is there. Oh, if I had a dollar for every person who wanted a jungle removed, but only came in for one hour every other month, but then questioned my ability to finish the job they wanted done. You don’t fight Mike Tyson while wearing a slitless floor length pencil skirt and one hand tied behind your back.
We can’t catch up to the growing hair phase any faster than about 12 weeks, because it is only then, that if we have been doing full clearances that one would have removed the hairs that would normally be seen in the shedding phase as the next cycle of new growth comes in, and thus the appearance of less than half the hair in the area. If one has not been practicing full clearance in the treatment area, it will appear to the client as if NO PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE.
In any event, the only way to see that hair removal works, is to take pictures, and stick with the treatments on a regular schedule for 12 to 18 months and then, look back on all the pictures taken. Only then will one see the progressive difference in what actually grows in the treated area(s). Since the change we make happens gradually, the change is imperceptible to the naked eye. Often the hairs that one started out being concerned with fade away, and the patient becomes more concerned about hairs that previously got no notice, as they were never seen prior to the client’s new found scrutiny of the treatment area through newly purchased 10x’s magnification mirrors.
Argh! This is still kind of confusing!
Let’s say you clear an area completely at the start, i.e. the client invests the time required heavily at the start of the treatment. Does new hair start to come through straight away, because that’s technically untreated hair that wasn’t visible when the electrologist did his / her first clearance?
So how many ‘dormant’ hairs are there, relative to the visible ones? Presumably, after the first clearance the growth will still come in cycles - so is it better to clear the area EVERY time you have treatment?
I feel like I have read on here two different scenarios: one is that after a full clearance the growth is x percentage less the next time and so the next clearance time is shorter, and is done after a decent interval etc; and the other seems to be less about clearance and more about ‘little and often’. Maybe these situations refer to different machines…
And is it still true that let’s say an average electrologist (rather than you wizard guys!) won’t necessarily have a 100% kill rate on the hairs they do treat, because maybe they have more / less success depending on whether the hair is in anagen / catagen / telogen? For example, at my recent Parkside consultation, I was told that only about 30% of the treated hairs would be definitely dead. Or did she mean 30% of the total hairs, including the non-visible, untreated ones?
She meant 30% of the follicles treated in one session would probably be gone for good. The rest will come back (much later), probably finer as they have been weakened but not killed. This is partly because they think only the anagen hairs can be “killed” and unless you have waxed a few weeks before starting your first treatment, there will be a mixture of growth stages present.
I wouldn’t stress about it too much. See how much the electrologists you are visiting are willing to do in one session and how much you can cope with at one time. Then do that amount, first off as often as you can to achieve clearance of the bothersome hairs. After that, you will see you can go quite a few weeks before the area looks like it has sufficient hair to warrant a treatment, so you can book as and when and how much time you estimate you’ll need.
If you have decided to go for electrolysis, and you have the money set aside to afford the initial hours at least (because I imagine it’s going to be quite a lot for bum and thighs to get them initially cleared), then there’s not too much to worry about.
Oh, and if you assume that only 30% of the treated follicles currently present are going to be destroyed, that means you can expect the other 70% to make a reappearance down the track and need treating again.
In my consultations I think it is very important to educate the client on what to expect with electrolysis . I also give them a handout expains electrolysis and explains growth cycle e.t.c. They are well informed that it is not an overnight treatment and requires alot of discipline.
I like to look at electrolysis in phases
Phase 1- the first 4-5 months are the most intense
phase 2- the next 6-12 months, hairs are alot less, clients are starting to feel comfortable, client will be at a point hairs only visible to the client. treatment sessions are really spacing out.
phase 3 12-18 mths client extremely comfortable, odd few hairs to treat.
I have 3 diagrams with the different phases on the wall. As the client is going through the journey of electrolysis, i will always go back and point to the phase they are just entering and always remind them of what they are up to in their treatment and make sure we are working to plan. I find it is encouraging to the client when they feel “i am starting to come out of phase 1 and going into phase 2” they feel it as an achievemnt and they look forward to moving on.
Do you mean that within 9-18 months, the hair is permanently killed? [/quote]
YES! If you are focusing on one area AND putting in the time it takes to get all bothersome hair removed so that you get a first, full clearance asap, and you are coming in and putting in the time it takes to get cleared again and again over a 9-18 month time frame, I am saying you will be pretty darn happy. Going to a well trained professional electrologist with a reputation for getting results would be very comforting to you.
I have people ask me for references from time to time and I am ALWAYS happy to oblige them with as many names as they desire. Yes, it takes my time and effort to contact my clients and ask their permission, but I understand how someone could be apprehensive about diving into this process and truly want to help them understand that electrolysis will work IF THEY GIVE ME A CHANCE to educate them and work on them for 9-18 months. It is a gradual change after that awesome first, full clearance.
I’m about ready to start a thread asking my clients to report in about their very excellent hair adventure, but then I would be accused of self adoration. Maybe if they said things in their own words, that would be helpful to so many that are sitting on the fence about electrolysis. Sometimes this whole process can be easy for some and sometimes it is not so easy for others. It would be nice to hear all stories. What is true is, the first 4-6 months is the hardest. I tell my clients to fasten their seatbelts and get ready for the hardest part of the journey. Sometimes they take it to heart and trust me and other times they give up, which is way too bad, because I know I could have helped them.
Do you mean that within 9-18 months, the hair is permanently killed? [/quote]
YES! If you are focusing on one area AND putting in the time it takes to get all bothersome hair removed so that you get a first, full clearance asap, and you are coming in and putting in the time it takes to get cleared again and again over a 9-18 month time frame, I am saying you will be pretty darn happy. Going to a well trained professional electrologist with a reputation for getting results would be very comforting to you.
I have people ask me for references from time to time and I am ALWAYS happy to oblige them with as many names as they desire. Yes, it takes my time and effort to contact my clients and ask their permission, but I understand how someone could be apprehensive about diving into this process and truly want to help them understand that electrolysis will work IF THEY GIVE ME A CHANCE to educate them and work on them for 9-18 months. It is a gradual change after that awesome first, full clearance.
I’m about ready to start a thread asking my clients to report in about their very excellent hair adventure, but then I would be accused of self adoration. Maybe if they said things in their own words, that would be helpful to so many that are sitting on the fence about electrolysis. Sometimes this whole process can be easy for some and sometimes it is not so easy for others. It would be nice to hear all stories. What is true is, the first 4-6 months is the hardest. I tell my clients to fasten their seatbelts and get ready for the hardest part of the journey. Sometimes they take it to heart and trust me and other times they give up, which is way too bad, because I know I could have helped them.[/quote]
Ok, that sounds ok.Does electrolysis leave scars too? I would have eletrolysis’ sessions on my facial hair and my last concern is scars.
Final question.how many millimeters of hair is needed to conduct a follow up consultation?
A professional, experienced, well-trained electrologist will not leave scars. You may have temporary scabbing, but these are NOT scars. Those who do electrolysis on themselves or others, who have no training, are the ones most likely to scar themselves or others.
We need about 25 mm (about 1/8 ") at most to treat hair. Good vision equipment, on par with what dentists and surgeons use, is the best for hair removal per electrolysis.
thanks for replying. Thing is that I have hair forming areas adjacent my nose and will soon come out to the surface. However, most of them are below the skin…
I hope people don’t mind me jumping on this thread with my own question. I have just started my 6th month of electrolysis. I am female and have a problem with black/grey hairs on my chin and upper lip. I started going once a week for approx 25 min. After three months this was shortened to 15 min. I am still going once a week for 15 min. Over the last month, I thought I was starting to see a slight difference - hair seemed to be slightly finer and patchier. This week (going into my 6th month) I have suddenly been greeted with a heavy round of dark hairs (like I was getting in month 4!). I understand this is a lengthy process and I just wondered, if even after 6 months, its normal to get ‘bad’ weeks? The odd week where there’s a lot of hair?
Thanks for any help!
In short, YES, especially if one was plucking the hair in any way in the past. If you keep at it, you will see the largest difference around the 9 month mark, assuming you are getting full clearances each and every time.
Hair grows in cycles. You just hit a new one.
Once the hair follicle is destroyed, will it ever establish its root again in the future?